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[packs]

It's hard to understand why anyone would be against cleaner living. If you don't believe in global warming that's your prerogative, but why stand in the way of cleaner living?

What is the aversion to solar and cleaner energy when it can be practically applied? Why would it be a bad thing to have less plastic in the world? What's so wrong about preserving wild habitats? Why not have more fresh water?

What is it about these efforts that gets people so riled up? Why be against them? Why suggest these efforts are in vain in some way?

I also think it's a good idea to mention that climate and temperature are not the same thing. Because it is cold for a brief stretch of time (months, weeks, days, etc.) it does not mean the overall climate is not getting warmer.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by packs

What is the aversion to solar and cleaner energy when it can be practically applied? Why would it be a bad thing to have less plastic in the world? What's so wrong about preserving wild habitats? Why not have more fresh water?

What is it about these efforts that gets people so riled up? Why be against them? Why suggest these efforts are in vain in some way?

Because many of the wealthiest people on the planet spend billions of dollars each year to convince gullible citizens that these things are bad. At the same time, they make sure that politicians who will actually challenge the oil- and military- industrial complexes are never in a position to do so.

And for those who want to argue, this is not a "team red vs. team blue" thing look at what the current administration is doing in Alaska right now.

[packs]

I agree I don't think this is a political issue. There is only one planet so when I hear people talk about how expensive it would be to alter our manufacturing practices I can't help but immediately tune them out.

How much cheaper is it to live on another planet? What are you saving the money for, exactly?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by packs

I agree I don't think this is a political issue. There is only one planet so when I hear people talk about how expensive it would be to alter our manufacturing practices I can't help but immediately tune them out.

How much cheaper is it to live on another planet? What are you saving the money for, exactly?

Great question. For those who are educated enough not to deny the existence of science, I believe there's a fair amount of "I'll be dead by the time my area becomes uninhabitable, so who cares?" The way things are going though, they might be wrong. Look what's already happening with water in the southwestern US.

[irv]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Great question. For those who are educated enough not to deny the existence of science, I believe there's a fair amount of "I'll be dead by the time my area becomes uninhabitable, so who cares?" The way things are going though, they might be wrong. Look what's already happening with water in the southwestern US.

And what's happening there? The massive amounts of irrigation that they are draining in order to water golf courses and to water crops that some morons thought would be a great idea to place in the desert?
I assume you're aware of those things because I can't see an educated man like yourself coming on here saying what you did without being educated on the subject, but then again, I could be wrong?

[packs]

I don't know what article you're referencing but the articles I've read that detail Phoenix's water issues are centered around overdevelopment in areas that developers knew were water poor. That's not so much a climate issue as a man-made one. But I think it speaks to the point that something thought to be naturally occurring is not.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what article you're referencing but the articles I've read that detail Phoenix's water issues are centered around overdevelopment in areas that developers knew were water poor. That's not so much a climate issue as a man-made one. But I think it speaks to the point that something thought to be naturally occurring is not.

Overdevelopment and the climate crisis are intersecting issues in many places

[irv]

Originally Posted by packs

It's hard to understand why anyone would be against cleaner living. If you don't believe in global warming that's your prerogative, but why stand in the way of cleaner living?

What is the aversion to solar and cleaner energy when it can be practically applied? Why would it be a bad thing to have less plastic in the world? What's so wrong about preserving wild habitats? Why not have more fresh water?

What is it about these efforts that gets people so riled up? Why be against them? Why suggest these efforts are in vain in some way?

I also think it's a good idea to mention that climate and temperature are not the same thing. Because it is cold for a brief stretch of time (months, weeks, days, etc.) it does not mean the overall climate is not getting warmer.

And this is what you've been brainwashed into believing. Believing those that don't believe in the global warming grift are OK with burning heaps of used tires and dumping used oil down the culverts, to name a couple.

If you think for one minute solar and wind power are anymore friendly, and not actually worse, watch "The Planet of Humans" It was produced by Michael Moore (it's documentary not a made for Hollywood movie) who was once a global warming god, a crusader, until he had his eyes opened.
Just like what we see if anyone goes against any current batch of Liberal lies, he was labelled a racist, sexist, homophobic and bible thumping moron, or in other words, any words they could use, even if they didn't apply, to shut him up.

You mention preserving wildlife habitats but your side has no issue with completely razing forests, lopping off mountain tops, and ruining other habitats to put up solar and wind farms. Little hypocritical, don't you think?

Do you honestly believe CO2 is bad? Do you believe wind and solar, especially when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine, is going to sustain us?
Do you believe natural gas is bad? Do you believe Nuclear energy is bad?
What's the alternative? To cut down forests so people can keep warm and to cook their food? They will because it's instinctual.

Your last part is simply wrong. First and foremost the earth has actually cooled over the last decade, not warmed, and if you actually believe it has, why have the glaciers grew and not melted?
Do you honestly think this is the warmest the planet has ever been? Heard of the Medieval warming period that the alarmists would like removed from the history books?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1rj00BoItw

Curious, what do you suppose melted the glaciers before man was even on this planet? Could it be the warmth of the sun, the earth shifting on its axis or numerous other things, or do you believe, like someone else on here, that global warming is causing these record cold spells even though they said things like cold and snow worldwide would be a thing of the past over 30-40 yrs ago?

It's a grift, no 2 ways about it and many liars are getting filthy rich because of it, because they've brainwashed so many, through their lies, to buy in.
Have you ever noticed they, the alarmists, use words such as "could" and "might" when they're talking about the earth/planet getting warmer just like Bill Nye does here? "COULD" go up another 4 to 8 degrees. The man is insane and actually said he needs old people to die off in order to continue with the global warming narrative.
Why do you suppose he'd say something like that? People have been brainwashed into agreeing with him. If that is not insanity and a sign of what this movement is all about, then I don't know what is?
Here's The Planet of Humans. Watch it to the very end, including the credits, then get back to me and tell me how great this "green energy" movement is and how it is any greener than what we already have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

[packs]

No, my last point is not wrong. Temperature and climate can be related and have correlations between the two, but they are not interchangeable. You can't point to this week's forecast to determine the climate isn't changing. That's not the relationship that exists between the two.

I don't think you've addressed anything I said. I didn't talk about Co2 so I can only guess as to why it's come up in response to my comments. The climate is not part of any political party so I don't know what you mean when you say "my side" is destroying forests. There is just a planet. It's the only planet we have to live on. I can't imagine why anyone would be against keeping it clean and in good condition.

[irv]

Originally Posted by packs

No, my last point is not wrong. Temperature and climate can be related and have correlations between the two, but they are not interchangeable. You can't point to this week's forecast to determine the climate isn't changing. That's not the relationship that exists between the two.

I don't think you've addressed anything I said. I didn't talk about Co2 so I can only guess as to why it's come up in response to my comments. The climate is not part of any political party so I don't know what you mean when you say "my side" is destroying rain forests. There is just a planet. It's the only planet we have to live on. I can't imagine why anyone would be against keeping it clean and in good condition.

And, there you go again with that non sense. I think any rational sane person wants those things too but they know they don't have to pay a carbon tax or any other financial penalty in order to achieve them. Did you watch the movie? (of course not) Are you afraid too? In it they discuss how things have improved greatly over the past decades. And no one paid a carbon tax for that to happen. See where I'm going with this? It's a lie, a grift, a scam, nothing more. The climate is cyclical, always has been always will be. Get that through your head. They are capitalizing on a lie.

[packs]

Originally Posted by irv

And, there you go again with that non sense. I think any rational sane person wants those things too but they know they don't have to pay a carbon tax or any other financial penalty in order to achieve them. Did you watch the movie? (of course not) Are you afraid too? In it they discuss how things have improved greatly over the past decades. And no one paid a carbon tax for that to happen. See where I'm going with this? It's a lie, a grift, a scam, nothing more. The climate is cyclical, always has been always will be. Get that through your head. They are capitalizing on a lie.

This isn't a tit for tat statement. It's a practical question for an individual. Whether or not you believe in global warming is unrelated to what I'm asking. Why would anyone be against something like renewable energy? Or more fresh water to drink? Or cleaner air?

[irv]

Originally Posted by packs

This isn't a tit for tat statement. It's a practical question for an individual. Whether or not you believe in global warming is unrelated to what I'm asking. Why would anyone be against something like renewable energy? Or more fresh water to drink? Or cleaner air?

Are you obtuse or something?
Because, like what I thought I made clear, your renewable energy narrative is nothing but a scam and is actually more harmful than it is good.
Are you OK with them razing forests, ruining habitats, just to burn in co-gen stations that claim they are "green renewable energy" sources?

You and me, whether you want to believe that or not, are basically after the same things, but your refusal to educate yourself with what you have been brainwashed with is getting tiring.
Watch the movie. It might be tough for you to admit you've been lied to and fooled but I've always believed it is better to be slapped with the truth than it is to be kissed with a lie.

[packs]

Originally Posted by irv

Are you obtuse or something?
Because, like what I thought I made clear, your renewable energy narrative is nothing but a scam and is actually more harmful than it is good.
Are you OK with them razing forests, ruining habitats, just to burn in co-gen stations that claim they are "green renewable energy" sources?

You and me, whether you want to believe that or not, are basically after the same things, but your refusal to educate yourself with what you have been brainwashed with is getting tiring.
Watch the movie. It might be tough for you to admit you've been lied to and fooled but I've always believed it is better to be slapped with the truth than it is to be kissed with a lie.

Renewable energy isn't a scam. It exists and can exist in larger formats if developed further. You keep saying things like "are you ok with razing a forest for renewable energy?"

What does one have to do with the other? Are you suggesting there is no other way to develop renewable energy?

[Cliff Bowman]

It’s actually very pleasant today, in the 70’s and sunny, but it’s going to rain Thursday and then return to normal lower temperatures.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by packs

No, my last point is not wrong. Temperature and climate can be related and have correlations between the two, but they are not interchangeable. You can't point to this week's forecast to determine the climate isn't changing. That's not the relationship that exists between the two.

I don't think you've addressed anything I said. I didn't talk about Co2 so I can only guess as to why it's come up in response to my comments. The climate is not part of any political party so I don't know what you mean when you say "my side" is destroying forests. There is just a planet. It's the only planet we have to live on. I can't imagine why anyone would be against keeping it clean and in good condition.

I’m not going to debate this but as the United States tries to ban gas stoves China is building a new coal plant every 3 months using 70’s technology.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

I’m not going to debate this but as the United States tries to ban gas stoves China is building a new coal plant every 3 months using 70’s technology.

They couldn’t care less what China does. They don’t hate China, just the opposite, they hate the people who voted for the Orange Meanie.

[mrreality68]

Still no snow on long island and this weather been mild temperatures (this weekend slightly cold) but feels like early spring most of February

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

I’m not going to debate this but as the United States tries to ban gas stoves China is building a new coal plant every 3 months using 70’s technology.

I'm really trying to bite my tongue and stay out of these ridiculous threads...but do you actually think they're trying to ban gas stoves?

We are doomed!

P.S. No need to debate anything. Let's not waste each others time.

[irv]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I'm really trying to bite my tongue and stay out of these ridiculous threads...but do you actually think they're trying to ban gas stoves?

We are doomed!

P.S. No need to debate anything. Let's not waste each others time.

Well, I haven't followed it, tbh, but I know at least one is trying to do exactly that.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...till-uses-one/
I really wish I knew how someone like this, and both sides have them, how they get into power?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrUWwPLT48

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by irv

Well, I haven't followed it, tbh, but I know at least one is trying to do exactly that.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...till-uses-one/
I really wish I knew how someone like this, and both sides have them, how they get into power?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrUWwPLT48

Let me reiterate, nobody is trying to ban gas stoves...not even the boogeyman that's referenced in the shittily constructed article you linked.

You can declare that exposure to natural gas causes cognitive disfunction (doesn't seem to be a controversial statement, because exposure to natural gas can also KILL you), and still have natural gas appliances without the howls of "hypocrisy" raining down upon you.

I have a gas stove. I have a propane heater in the greenhouse connected to our house. I am aware of the dangers of those appliances. I also like the convenience of those appliances. I live in a blue state, and have zero fear of anybody coming for my appliances. If they do...I promise you I'll kick up a fuss and publicly declare on social media to lay down my life for my gas stove, as other over-dramatic personalities are claiming to do.

You can also admit that guns kill people, while also owning guns. It's allowed you know.