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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

There's a difference between cards that are altered being sold in slabs that actually indicate it compared to altered cards that end up with numeric grades (and sell for way more than they did before altering). If the alteration is disclosed (either by the seller or through being graded as such), then people can make up their own minds about buying the card or not with full knowledge of what has been done to it. I think the issue most people have is when a card has been altered and graded without the alteration being disclosed.

Exactly. It's all about disclosure. If it isn't disclosed, it's fraud. Many of us aren't interested in rewarding the skill of some criminal who can make cards look prettier. Originality may not be important to others, I get that. But that choice should be made on an informed basis, not on the basis of deception.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Exactly. It's all about disclosure. If it isn't disclosed, it's fraud. Many of us aren't interested in rewarding the skill of some criminal who can make cards look prettier. Originality may not be important to others, I get that. But that choice should be made on an informed basis, not on the basis of deception.

Some people apparently do not care if they have been deceived as long as it appears, to them, they have not been, either through denial or lack of sophistication or experience.

To Snowman's point I think there is a new breed of buyer AND a new sentiment among many collectors who really do not care what has been done to the item they are buying. They are putting 100% in the faith in the label and the faith that others have 100% faith in the label. They have the ability to write a check and it is no longer important if what they paid for is actually what the label says it is.

It is exactly why PWCC and others are absolutely killing it despite having been associated with having committed fraud.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Some people apparently do not care if they have been deceived as long as it appears, to them, they have not been, either through denial or lack of sophistication or experience.

To Snowman's point I think there is a new breed of buyer AND a new sentiment among many collectors who really do not care what has been done to the item they are buying. They are putting 100% in the faith in the label and the faith that others have 100% faith in the label. They have the ability to write a check and it is no longer important if what they paid for is actually what the label says it is.

It is exactly why PWCC and others are absolutely killing it despite having been associated with having committed fraud.

It is indeed ironic that the company supposedly established to stop/counter card doctoring has become the means of perpetuating and expanding it. Oh well.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It is indeed ironic that the company supposedly established to stop/counter card doctoring has become the means of perpetuating and expanding it. Oh well.

Yup. They have all legitimized lack of authenticity but not just with cards. It is good for them. Good for the buyer and good for the seller. So what that the whole system is compromised. Just believe!