Popular National Acquisition - Covid

[packs]

There is a lot of information available to you about the role of plastics, plastics manufacturing and plastics in the ocean and their relation to climate change. These articles would be a better source. You can choose the one you trust.

[Republicaninmass]

If the left really cared about climate change, instead of lining their pockets, they would reduce the population. That is the only way the world will survive. No koom-by-ah, no green energy , no vegan living is going to stop 8 BILLION, that's 8,000,000,000 people from destroying the earth. There is no enough resources, and certainly not enough organic, non processed hippie dippy granola to sustain the population. They need the votes to keep themselves employed, so you wont see this mentioned anywhere. Aside from likely some conspiracy websites

[irv]

Originally Posted by packs

There is a lot of information available to you about plastics in the ocean and their role in climate change.

So, no would be your answer then? You have never heard of Boyan Slat, correct?

Again, in you own words, tell me how this has anything to do with global warming and why we should all be paying a carbon tax to fight it?

Greg is 100% right in saying our plastic waste is being outsourced to these 3rd world countries. Why do you suppose that isn't being talked about or shown on MSM?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

If the left really cared about climate change, instead of lining their pockets, they would reduce the population. That is the only way the world will survive. No koom-by-ah, no green energy , no vegan living is going to stop 8 BILLION, that's 8,000,000,000 people from destroying the earth. There is no enough resources, and certainly not enough organic, non processed hippie dippy granola to sustain the population. They need the votes to keep themselves employed, so you wont see this mentioned anywhere. Aside from likely some conspiracy websites

I've been told its not about money, and to follow the dollars is crazy. Remind me how much their radical Green New Deal costs?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

So, no would be your answer then? You have never heard of Boyan Slat, correct?

Again, in you own words, tell me how this has anything to do with global warming and why we should all be paying a carbon tax to fight it?

Greg is 100% right in saying our plastic waste is being outsourced to these 3rd world countries. Why do you suppose that isn't being talked about or shown on MSM?

She is a popular search because of all the silly memes that have been made of her.

Boyan Slat on the other hand I have seen a lot of and he was/is part of Adadis making shoes out of the plastic being recycled. As a Nike fan I know they are also making shoes out of the recycled material but do not know if Boyan is part of that project. Boyan was also on Joe Rogan.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by packs

There is a lot of information available to you about the role of plastics, plastics manufacturing and plastics in the ocean and their relation to climate change. These articles would be a better source. You can choose the one you trust.

Who is putting the vast majority of plastics into the ocean? It isn’t the pick up truck driving church going gun loving Orange Menace voting Deplorables.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

If the left really cared about climate change, instead of lining their pockets, they would reduce the population. That is the only way the world will survive. No koom-by-ah, no green energy , no vegan living is going to stop 8 BILLION, that's 8,000,000,000 people from destroying the earth. There is no enough resources, and certainly not enough organic, non processed hippie dippy granola to sustain the population. They need the votes to keep themselves employed, so you wont see this mentioned anywhere. Aside from likely some conspiracy websites

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[irv]

NEW: Attorney General Eric Schmitt testifies that his lawsuit, along with the Twitter Files, revealed a massive coordinated effort by Federal Agencies and the Biden Administration to effectively coerce social media companies to censor American citizens.
https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/st...Cx_bmj8MctAAAA

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

And, what exactly does that have to do with global warming?

Ever heard of this kid? Ever seen him on the news, ever see the news show you how much progress he's made and the difference he is making? I'm going to assume no to all of it and then ask you why?
Why isn't he popular, why isn't he being hailed a hero and a true environmentalist like Greta is?

Originally Posted by G1911

I've been told its not about money, and to follow the dollars is crazy. Remind me how much their radical Green New Deal costs?

You guys are funny. Not intentionally of course.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

If the left really cared about climate change, instead of lining their pockets, they would reduce the population. That is the only way the world will survive. No koom-by-ah, no green energy , no vegan living is going to stop 8 BILLION, that's 8,000,000,000 people from destroying the earth. There is no enough resources, and certainly not enough organic, non processed hippie dippy granola to sustain the population. They need the votes to keep themselves employed, so you wont see this mentioned anywhere. Aside from likely some conspiracy websites

So Republicans want to outlaw abortion, but it’s the Liberals trying to increase population? Got it

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

So Republicans want to outlaw abortion, but it’s the Liberals trying to increase population? Got it

Never said increasing, I said they won't acknowledge what is causing the lack of resources. That would make people feel good inside. They could brand as some save the planet and let your neighbor live their life campaign.

Republicans might need the labor force? Just a guess. I'd have to assume they are just follow some old timey religion...trying to keep some out dated voters. It never made sense to me why else anyone would be against freedom of choice.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Nope, been retired for close to a decade now.

Taking the vaccine WAS a choice. It was also known upfront there would be no way to sue anyone. So NO you should not be able to sue anyone over the vaccine no matter how many ambulance chasing lawyers want to make money off it.

Define choice, i dont think people who thought they would lose their jobs if not take vaccine would say thats a choice, people who needed to travel to take care of sick people in their family and were only allowed to travel based on taking the vaccine is not a choice. Saying 'choice' and implying it only means one thing for everyone is problematic.. You choose to pay taxes as well and be law abiding.. afterall thats a choice too....at least not forced to take vaccine on that..

true choice means no consequences...you can vote for whoever you want and you dont risk travel or losing your job....taking or not taking the vaccine was not true choice

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Define choice, i dont think people who thought they would lose their jobs if not take vaccine would say thats a choice, people who needed to travel to take care of sick people in their family and were only allowed to travel based on taking the vaccine is not a choice. Saying 'choice' and implying it only means one thing for everyone is problematic.. You choose to pay taxes as well and be law abiding.. afterall thats a choice too....at least not forced to take vaccine on that..

LOL, you seriously don't comprehend what the word choice means or is it just another one of you very obvious troll posts?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

You guys are funny. Not intentionally of course.

What I find funny is you and a few others have zero to say about Fauci, your corrupt govt, the censorship, the lies and the complicity of social media, MSM, the CDC, the FDA, the FBI, the DOJ, etc, in all of this.
People's lives were destroyed, people died unnecessarily, people were forced into taking the vaccines, doing things against their wishes but nary a word about any of that from any of you.
And the fact they are still pushing these vaccines on the people and continuing to lie right to your faces,,,,, crickets, nothing but crickets, but OMG, look over there, it's a climate crisis, or any other drummed up Democratic lie.

You know when the brainwashing and reconditioning is complete when you no longer believe your own eyes and ears and have nothing to say about any of that.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, you seriously don't comprehend what the word choice means or is it just another one of you very obvious troll posts?

basically you saying 'choice' is like saying 'for guns' you are obvious trolling

it was not a true choice and you know it..

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

basically you saying 'choice' is like saying 'for guns' you are obvious trolling

it was not a true choice and you know it..

WOW a post you did not have to edit multiple times, I am so proud of you.

Life is full of choices, those choices all have consequences. Adding all your 3rd grade if's and but's don't mean it is not a choice.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bnorth

WOW a post you did not have to edit multiple times, I am so proud of you.

Life is full of choices, those choices all have consequences. Adding all your 3rd grade if's and but's don't mean it is not a choice.

You are rendering the definition of the word "choice" meaningless. It's like saying I have the choice to murder 5 people...... if I'm willing to spend the rest of my natural life in prison and then burn in hell.

[G1911]

People had the choice not to take the “vaccine” - or be fired and unemployable elsewhere.

People have the choice to get an abortion - by traveling out of state or committing a crime.

In a sense every single action ever taken in the history of humanity is a choice - no matter how bleak you can always make a different choice. Of course laws, violence, pressure and economic devastation are handy tools to ensure only one choice is actually viable.

I liked when the left was AGAINST big corporate dictating intimate and personal decisions and making them for you. That disappeared with the snap of a finger.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

You are rendering the definition of the word "choice" meaningless. It's like saying I have the choice to murder 5 people...... if I'm willing to spend the rest of my natural life in prison and then burn in hell.

You really do have that choice though. Making that choice has the consiquenses of possibly life in prison. Doesn't make it any less of a choice. Smart people take the possible consiquenses into account when making choices.

If the vaccine wasn't a choice please name one person that was held down and forced to take it. I know I have not heard of anyone physically being forced to take it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

People had the choice not to take the “vaccine” - or be fired and unemployable elsewhere.

People have the choice to get an abortion - by traveling out of state or committing a crime.

In a sense every single action ever taken in the history of humanity is a choice - no matter how bleak you can always make a different choice. Of course laws, violence, pressure and economic devastation are handy tools to ensure only one choice is actually viable.

I liked when the left was AGAINST big corporate dictating intimate and personal decisions and making them for you. That disappeared with the snap of a finger.

The bold part is exactly how I see life. Pick what is the best for you with the known consequences.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The bold part is exactly how I see life. Pick what is the best for you with the known consequences.

That part makes your original argument pointless though - if it is still a choice when coerced then we don’t really have have much of a meaningful choice. If threats and punishment to dictate a choice is acceptable, because one can still respond with defiance and suffer the consequences, then there’s no boundary at all. A state run on a coercion is choice philosophy is totalitarian.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by irv

There was a well documented time in earth's history, the life of this planet, where CO2 was quite a bit higher than what it is today, but, of course, that is never talked about. There were also a few times when this planet was also much warmer than what it is today, but, of course, that is also not talked about either.
CO2 is injected into many greenhouses throughout the world because it is beneficial to the plants, crops and the like. If it were, CO2, as high now as it was back then, then our crops, forests, etc, would all be thriving more than they currently are now. The Medieval warming period was known as a time of prosper, a time of good things filled with abundance, but, of course, that is not talked about either and they, the alarmists/grifters would like that removed from our history books.

Yes, CO2 levels and temperatures were higher in the past, as talked about here:

https://earth.org/data_visualization...istory-of-co2/

According to the link, the last time the CO2 level was as high as it is today (around 400 ppm) was around 20 million years ago. The temperature at that time is estimated to have been around 6 to 8 C warmer than the 1960-1990 average.

In regards to the MWP, here's a link:

https://skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm

"Overall, our conclusions are:

a) Globally temperatures are warmer than they have been during the last 2,000 years, and

b) the causes of Medieval warming are not the same as those causing late 20th century warming."

[AustinMike]

double posted

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

That part makes your original argument pointless though - if it is still a choice when coerced then we don’t really have have much of a meaningful choice. If threats and punishment to dictate a choice is acceptable, because one can still respond with defiance and suffer the consequences, then there’s no boundary at all. A state run on a coercion is choice philosophy is totalitarian.

Ok so it is only a choice when we get to choose flavor of ice cream we like best as long as there is zero consequences from that choice. Sounds about correct for this thread.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Ok so it is only a choice when we get to choose flavor of ice cream we like best as long as there is zero consequences from that choice. Sounds about correct for this thread.

Yeah, and we live in a totalitarian country.

I'm forced by the government to drive below certain speeds or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to not drive after drinking copious amounts of alcohol or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay for stuff at stores or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay taxes or face the consequence.
Etc.
Etc.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Yeah, and we live in a totalitarian country.

I'm forced by the government to drive below certain speeds or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to not drive after drinking copious amounts of alcohol or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay for stuff at stores or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay taxes or face the consequence.
Etc.
Etc.

What does that do to the concept of someone being "pro-choice?" By Ben's logic, everyone always has a choice, no matter what laws are passed.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

WOW a post you did not have to edit multiple times, I am so proud of you.

Life is full of choices, those choices all have consequences. Adding all your 3rd grade if's and but's don't mean it is not a choice.

Again there are minor and there are major consequences...

most people would agree there were major consequences if you did not take the vaccine that you could not sue if you got sick.....

and yes, there should be major rational consequences for some choices..you can choose to do a crime but you go to jail....but you were not steered to doing the crime..

people were steered to having the shot and if not there were consequences..

saying you had a choice is trolling......we always have a 'choice' in anything in life in terms of deciding options...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Again there are minor and there are major consequences...

most people would agree there were major consequences if you did not take the vaccine that you could not sue if you got sick.....

and yes, there should be major rational consequences for some choices..you can choose to do a crime but you go to jail....but you were not steered to doing the crime..

people were steered to having the shot and if not there were consequences..

saying you had a choice is trolling......we always have a 'choice' in anything in life in terms of deciding options...

Do you need more time to edit again before I answer?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You really do have that choice though. Making that choice has the consiquenses of possibly life in prison. Doesn't make it any less of a choice. Smart people take the possible consiquenses into account when making choices.

If the vaccine wasn't a choice please name one person that was held down and forced to take it. I know I have not heard of anyone physically being forced to take it.

so being held down and forced to take it is your definition of no choice....losing your job and pension potentially is a TOTALLY free choice, people NEVER make 'choices' to protect their family even though normally they would choose to go another way if not for their family....

you know some rape victims were told since not held down they had a choice...after all they were not held down.....even though they may of been threatened to lose their job (if was an employer) which may prevent them for supporting their kids etc.. the difference here is at least rape victims could Sue....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Do you need more time to edit again before I answer?

answer or troll....we shall see......i edit posts pretty quickly..not sure what you getting at...if you live on the keyboard maybe you respond before any edits...thats your 'choice'.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so being held down and forced to take it is your definition of no choice....losing your job and pension potentially is a TOTALLY free choice, people NEVER make 'choices' to protect their family even though normally they would choose to go another way if not for their family....

you know some rape victims were told since not held down they had a choice...after all they were not held down.....even though they may of been threatened to lose their job (if was an employer) which may prevent them for supporting their kids etc.. the difference here is at least rape victims could Sue....

LOL, can't you post something and leave it or is it really that horrible you NEED to FIX it.

Now you are comparing getting a vaccine to rape.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, can't you post something and leave it or is it really that horrible you NEED to FIX it.

Now you are comparing getting a vaccine to rape.

i really just add a sentence on edit..rarely anything is deleted...

i like how you dont address the premise, guess you out of luck unless wish to argue there was choice in both of those situations since not held down..

EDited by adding the word 'in'....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i really just add a sentence on edit..rarely anything is deleted...

i like how you dont address the premise, guess you out of luck unless wish to argue there was choice in both of those situations since not held down..

EDited by adding the word 'in'....

Seriously what kind of loser brings rape into a Covid thread. Done responding to the troll. Bye Bye Falicia!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Seriously what kind of loser brings rape into a Covid thread. Done responding to the troll. Bye Bye Falicia!

you are the troll obviously. i gave a real example of someone not forced down but i argued does not have a choice.(however at least you can sue in that situation and not with the vaccine)..you are mister everyone had a choice with the vaccine. It appears you can not defend the position, even with your trolling.. I also love how it appears everything is on topic on this 'covid thread'

I also can come up with many more examples of not being forced down but having no choice, you were the one that brought in the physical element in play for not having a choice 'being forced down' etc. I would argue thats a flawed argument and you are afraid to defend it even with a troll post..

[bnorth]

See guys I just showed you a choice. A horrible choice by interacting with Jake that I truly apologize for you all having to read it but a choice none the less.

I do believe there are things in life that we truly do not have a choice in but getting the vaccine is/was not one of them.

I do get what you all say about losing your job for not getting the vaccine as my wife had to make that choice.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

See guys I just showed you a choice. A horrible choice by interacting with Jake that I truly apologize for you all having to read it but a choice none the less.

I do believe there are things in life that we truly do not have a choice in but getting the vaccine is/was not one of them.

I do get what you all say about losing your job for not getting the vaccine as my wife had to make that choice.

a troll would say....

plus, all the factors were not the same for everyone..some had less choice then others..the fact is this burden was placed on EVERYONE, thus i would argue for large amount of people they had no real choice....

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Ok so it is only a choice when we get to choose flavor of ice cream we like best as long as there is zero consequences from that choice. Sounds about correct for this thread.

No. Your posted argument that, because a person can choose to suffer the consequences or break the law, there was a choice and thus it is acceptable justifies every single action in history. If the use of punishment, force, and severe consequence does not eliminate choice (by which everyone else means realistic choices), than every atrocity in history passes your test.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Yeah, and we live in a totalitarian country.

I'm forced by the government to drive below certain speeds or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to not drive after drinking copious amounts of alcohol or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay for stuff at stores or face the consequence.
I'm forced by the government to pay taxes or face the consequence.
Etc.
Etc.

If the argument is that anything the state says or chooses to punish is okay because you can choose to break the law and suffer the consequences (which is what was said), we are justifying every action that has ever happened because the victim has always had choice involved. Surely we can find a reasonable ground between this totalitarian philosophy that any action is okay because choice of how to respond remains (even if all the choices open are terrible) and having law, by which even most cruel societies conventionally place great limits on and consider if the actions specifically is meritous of punishment. Hence why every other poster except our resident troll is considering the actual issue and not this strongman absolutism.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Again there are minor and there are major consequences...

most people would agree there were major consequences if you did not take the vaccine that you could not sue if you got sick.....

and yes, there should be major rational consequences for some choices..you can choose to do a crime but you go to jail....but you were not steered to doing the crime..

people were steered to having the shot and if not there were consequences..

saying you had a choice is trolling......we always have a 'choice' in anything in life in terms of deciding options...

I keep missing the part where you and others on the forum didn’t get the vaccine but were fired or thrown in jail. Are you ok now or are you still in the clink?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I keep missing the part where you and others on the forum didn’t get the vaccine but were fired or thrown in jail. Are you ok now or are you still in the clink?

Luckily I have a job where I didn’t have to get the damned thing, if my choice was get the jab or jabs or get fired I would have gotten the bare minimum of jabs.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Luckily I have a job where I didn’t have to get the damned thing, if my choice was get the jab or jabs or get fired I would have gotten the bare minimum of jabs.

You must be the exception because from this forum you would think it was jab or loss of job or prison. Meanwhile the vast majority of posters seem to not have gotten jabbed and with the exception of a few that died from covid seem to be doing just fine.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Luckily I have a job where I didn’t have to get the damned thing, if my choice was get the jab or jabs or get fired I would have gotten the bare minimum of jabs.

The minimum amount of jabs was the choice my wife made. For her it was the vaccine and one booster. The company she works for works with the mentally/physically challenged. It was a company wide thing as she works in the main office for the company and never sees any of their clients.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I keep missing the part where you and others on the forum didn’t get the vaccine but were fired or thrown in jail. Are you ok now or are you still in the clink?

So if law is fine for you, doesnt matter how it impacts people who have less job choices...impacts all races including minorities.. People that collect baseball cards and have 100s or 1000s in their collection is not exactly a large sample size to make your big argument


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/24/10479...0many%20states.



I think we have exhausted the issue of 'choice' on this.....there are choices and there are CHOICES, however what was unique was that you could also not sue even in this forced choice scenerio and there was a denial of natural immunity and who knows what else.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So if law is fine for you, doesnt matter how it impacts people who have less job choices...impacts all races including minorities.. People that collect baseball cards and have 100s or 1000s in their collection is not exactly a large sample size to make your big argument


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/24/10479...0many%20states.



I think we have exhausted the issue of 'choice' on this.....there are choices and there are CHOICES, however what was unique was that you could also not sue even in this forced choice scenerio and there was a denial of natural immunity and who knows what else.

Just be honest about the narrative. Your article said 1% of the workforce faced a negative consequence such as a fine if they didn’t get the jab. Out of that 1% I would think many were fine with getting the jab. So you’re talking about a fraction of 1% that were impacted, some of whom could have been a minor fine. At least acknowledge those numbers when you talk about it.

[irv]

Originally Posted by irv

What I find funny is you and a few others have zero to say about Fauci, your corrupt govt, the censorship, the lies and the complicity of social media, MSM, the CDC, the FDA, the FBI, the DOJ, etc, in all of this.
People's lives were destroyed, people died unnecessarily, people were forced into taking the vaccines, doing things against their wishes but nary a word about any of that from any of you.
And the fact they are still pushing these vaccines on the people and continuing to lie right to your faces,,,,, crickets, nothing but crickets, but OMG, look over there, it's a climate crisis, or any other drummed up Democratic lie.

You know when the brainwashing and reconditioning is complete when you no longer believe your own eyes and ears and have nothing to say about any of that.

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just be honest about the narrative. Your article said 1% of the workforce faced a negative consequence such as a fine if they didn’t get the jab. Out of that 1% I would think many were fine with getting the jab. So you’re talking about a fraction of 1% that were impacted, some of whom could have been a minor fine. At least acknowledge those numbers when you talk about it.

When are you going acknowledge anything I wrote above?
What they did are crimes against humanity but you seem to be OK with that?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just be honest about the narrative. Your article said 1% of the workforce faced a negative consequence such as a fine if they didn’t get the jab. Out of that 1% I would think many were fine with getting the jab. So you’re talking about a fraction of 1% that were impacted, some of whom could have been a minor fine. At least acknowledge those numbers when you talk about it.

This is an old article and also a liberal publication. So this is the best case scenerio., show me the 'many were fine with getting the jab' out of the 1 percent you are citing and the 'minor' fine you are speak of....please be honest with your narrative

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just be honest about the narrative. Your article said 1% of the workforce faced a negative consequence such as a fine if they didn’t get the jab. Out of that 1% I would think many were fine with getting the jab. So you’re talking about a fraction of 1% that were impacted, some of whom could have been a minor fine. At least acknowledge those numbers when you talk about it.

heres one with 5 percent 'quitting' their jobs... im sure it was totally thier free choice...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/covi...vey-shows.html


also you head is in the sand if you dont think we have an employment problem with jobs to fill because of mass resignations....its one of the reasons for inflation, of course its not all covid shot mandate related, but you cant deny its a factor and the lack of finding employees is a HUGE issue.. its more than 1 percent problem. Yes, people can come back to jobs now but things happen in life and things always dont go back in reverse after major changes in life.....harm is still being felt

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/roug...last-year.html 47 million quit their jobs last year. (im sure it was all totally free choice for all of them)... how many more were fired as well..

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by G1911

If the argument is that anything the state says or chooses to punish is okay because you can choose to break the law and suffer the consequences (which is what was said), we are justifying every action that has ever happened because the victim has always had choice involved. Surely we can find a reasonable ground between this totalitarian philosophy that any action is okay because choice of how to respond remains (even if all the choices open are terrible) and having law, by which even most cruel societies conventionally place great limits on and consider if the actions specifically is meritous of punishment. Hence why every other poster except our resident troll is considering the actual issue and not this strongman absolutism.

Wow, trying to reframe the argument. No, what you said was

Originally Posted by G1911

That part makes your original argument pointless though - if it is still a choice when coerced then we don’t really have have much of a meaningful choice. If threats and punishment to dictate a choice is acceptable, because one can still respond with defiance and suffer the consequences, then there’s no boundary at all. A state run on a coercion is choice philosophy is totalitarian.

I simply listed some examples of state threats to force a behavior, a behavior that some may not want to be forced to do. Which according to you is totalitarian. But, apparently, these are coercions that you find acceptable and think only a troll would bring up. But why are they acceptable to you? Why aren't they totalitarian in your opinion? I personally think they are acceptable because they are for the greater good of society. They help save peoples' lives and property.

Now the issue you raised, is forcing people to get the covid vaccine (which Ben and Carter have shown is not even true) a totalitarian move? If people were forced to get the vaccine, what would be the purpose? To save lives perhaps? To reduce the number of people requiring hospitalization? For the greater good of society? Wouldn't that make it acceptable? To me it would. Yet, you want to label it as totalitarian. Just like some people might label the speed limit laws.

Troll on.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Mark17

What does that do to the concept of someone being "pro-choice?" By Ben's logic, everyone always has a choice, no matter what laws are passed.

Abortions have been available for a long time. So yeah, that choice has been around for a long time. Unfortunately, since they were illegal, they were not necessarily easily accessible and they were not always performed by qualified people in sanitary conditions. Many times they resulted in the death or injuring of the woman. To me, the concept of "pro-choice" is to have safe, legal, easily accessible abortions available for any woman who wants to go that route.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

heres one with 5 percent 'quitting' their jobs... im sure it was totally thier free choice...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/covi...vey-shows.html


also you head is in the sand if you dont think we have an employment problem with jobs to fill because of mass resignations....its one of the reasons for inflation, of course its not all covid shot mandate related, but you cant deny its a factor and the lack of finding employees is a HUGE issue.. its more than 1 percent problem. Yes, people can come back to jobs now but things happen in life and things always dont go back in reverse after major changes in life.....harm is still being felt

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/roug...last-year.html 47 million quit their jobs last year. (im sure it was all totally free choice for all of them)... how many more were fired as well..

Much of what you are referring to involves private businesses. Are you saying the government should have stepped in to regulate what a private business can or cannot do? I like it!