SUBJECT: BEWARE Steve Verkman, Keith Vari, Leland’s, Clean Sweep & Paragon auctions

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

20 plus man hours is a Very nice way of saying four guys showed up with 2 trucks took some items they were supposed to but some they were not authorized to take. Left 5 hours later without giving the consigner a list of everything they took and without his signature agreeing to anything. Then one guy left behind with the " contract" for him to sign. Basicly he if he didn't sign that he would have literally been left without his stuff or any proof they had taken anything.
I too am glad Steve cleared that up for us.
If representatives for the "New Lelands " think this is the right way to do business then they should have no problem everyone knowing about it. Exactly like Google reviews so next potential customer can make an informed decision.

On the whole, this thread does not paint the company in a positive light. For me, anyway.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

20 plus man hours is a Very nice way of saying four guys showed up with 2 trucks took some items they were supposed to but some they were not authorized to take. Left 5 hours later without giving the consigner a list of everything they took and without his signature agreeing to anything. Then one guy left behind with the " contract" for him to sign. Basicly he if he didn't sign that he would have literally been left without his stuff or any proof they had taken anything.
I too am glad Steve cleared that up for us.
If representatives for the "New Lelands " think this is the right way to do business then they should have no problem everyone knowing about it. Exactly like Google reviews so next potential customer can make an informed decision.

Only a few assumptions about what happened in your post. Interesting how many people are so quick to believe someone who just joined the board and posted his complaints then 3 days later hasn't bothered to come back on and provide any additional answers to the numerous questions that still seem to exist. I'm not saying the AH is blameless since the contract (as shown, anyway) is certainly lacking.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Only a few assumptions about what happened in your post. Interesting how many people are so quick to believe someone who just joined the board and posted his complaints then 3 days later hasn't bothered to come back on and provide any additional answers to the numerous questions that still seem to exist. I'm not saying the AH is blameless since the contract (as shown, anyway) is certainly lacking.

Could it be that they wrote up a more formal one when they got back to the office? That would make sense. I am sure for example Leland's has standard terms and conditions.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Could it be that they wrote up a more formal one when they got back to the office? That would make sense. I am sure for example Leland's has standard terms and conditions.

Who knows since the OP has not provided any more information. In his second post he did say something about later receiving a list of items from Steve but he hasn't shared that here.

[Gorditadogg]

I've been watching old Game of Thrones episodes, and I like that when someone is on trial, the accused can opt for Trial by Combat. The prosecutor and defendant both choose a champion to represent them in a fight to the death. Because the survivor is chosen by the gods, this is considered a just verdict.

While Joeb is no longer prosecuting his case and Steve V only sent one written statement to us, through Leon, we have bigfanNY and oldjudge acting as champions of the two parties.

May they fight with honor!

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[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I've been watching old Game of Thrones episodes, and I like that when someone is on trial, the accused can opt for Trial by Combat. The prosecutor and defendant both choose a champion to represent them in a fight to the death. Because the survivor is chosen by the gods, this is considered a just verdict.

While Joeb is no longer prosecuting his case and Steve V only sent one written statement to us, through Leon, we have bigfanNY and oldjudge acting as champions of the two parties.

May they fight with honor!

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A lot less nudity here than in GOT thankfully.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

A lot less nudity here than in GOT thankfully.

Actually I'm usually naked when I post but that's neither here nor there...

[ocjack]

I'm late to the party, but in a quick review of the postings, I don't see anywhere that Steve Verkman actually commented on the transaction. Just a lot of "I spoke to Steve..." and "Steve told me..." comments.

Is there a reason Steve doesn't come on and explain the transaction himself? Wouldn't that be better than alot of heresay evidence? If I missed Steve's comments, I'm sorry. But short of that, it appears - to my mind - that he may not want to be on the record with any comments.

Just my 2cents.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ocjack

I'm late to the party, but in a quick review of the postings, I don't see anywhere that Steve Verkman actually commented on the transaction. Just a lot of "I spoke to Steve..." and "Steve told me..." comments.

Is there a reason Steve doesn't come on and explain the transaction himself? Wouldn't that be better than alot of heresay evidence? If I missed Steve's comments, I'm sorry. But short of that, it appears - to my mind - that he may not want to be on the record with any comments.

Just my 2cents.

I would say Steve not posting anything is by far the best thing he could do. Do you remember when Brent and Betsy(PWCC) used to come on here? Their posting never made anything better. It also hilariously never hurt because nobody cares how slimy or great someone is as long as they have the card(s) they need. There are so many ways to enjoy this hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ocjack

I'm late to the party, but in a quick review of the postings, I don't see anywhere that Steve Verkman actually commented on the transaction. Just a lot of "I spoke to Steve..." and "Steve told me..." comments.

Is there a reason Steve doesn't come on and explain the transaction himself? Wouldn't that be better than alot of heresay evidence? If I missed Steve's comments, I'm sorry. But short of that, it appears - to my mind - that he may not want to be on the record with any comments.

Just my 2cents.

Why would he? I highly doubt this little thread is not hurting his business.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ocjack

I'm late to the party, but in a quick review of the postings, I don't see anywhere that Steve Verkman actually commented on the transaction. Just a lot of "I spoke to Steve..." and "Steve told me..." comments.

Is there a reason Steve doesn't come on and explain the transaction himself? Wouldn't that be better than alot of heresay evidence? If I missed Steve's comments, I'm sorry. But short of that, it appears - to my mind - that he may not want to be on the record with any comments.

Just my 2cents.

I think you must have missed this rule near the top of every page in bold letters? It's been there forever...ALso, I don't see your full contact info in the system. Some very early members didn't have their registration info recorded. Please PM that....full name and verifiable ph#.. Thanks so much!

If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. .

PS...this goes for everyone commenting in this thread. So, if your full name isn't there, put it there please....

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[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why would he? I highly doubt this little thread is not hurting his business.

I’ll second the notion that there is probably little or no upside for the AH to come here and try to defend the situation. Typically once you start to respond, then people demand more info (as we already have). And then you end up in a spot where you are constantly having to respond to more and more requests for additional info, some of which is probably either subject to confidentiality agreements, trade secrets, or will just trigger additional questions further drawing you in to a never ending cycle of demands. And if you don’t manage it well, in a worst case scenario, you look like an unhinged jerk.

Alternatively, at some point in the near future, we’ll all get tired of this thread and move on, probably mostly or entirely forgetting that it ever happened.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

I’ll second the notion that there is probably little or no upside for the AH to come here and try to defend the situation. Typically once you start to respond, then people demand more info (as we already have). And then you end up in a spot where you are constantly having to respond to more and more requests for additional info, some of which is probably either subject to confidentiality agreements, trade secrets, or will just trigger additional questions further drawing you in to a never ending cycle of demands. And if you don’t manage it well, in a worst case scenario, you look like an unhinged jerk.

Alternatively, at some point in the near future, we’ll all get tired of this thread and move on, probably mostly or entirely forgetting that it ever happened.

Exactly so. Not to say he's done anything wrong, I don't know all the facts or how to judge his fees, but even clear wrongdoers in this hobby do best by playing ostrich.

How many ever responded to the Blowout threads? None that I recall. How many suffered any consequences? None that I recall.

[egri]

Originally Posted by ocjack

I'm late to the party, but in a quick review of the postings, I don't see anywhere that Steve Verkman actually commented on the transaction. Just a lot of "I spoke to Steve..." and "Steve told me..." comments.

Is there a reason Steve doesn't come on and explain the transaction himself? Wouldn't that be better than alot of heresay evidence? If I missed Steve's comments, I'm sorry. But short of that, it appears - to my mind - that he may not want to be on the record with any comments.

Just my 2cents.

There is this message Steve sent to Leon to post at the beginning of the thread:

Originally Posted by Leon

Steve Verkman is out of pocket and asked me to post this for him. I am cutting and pasting....thanks


Hi Leon,

Can you please post this for me:

"This post is not accurate. With very large collections that involve hundreds and hundreds of lots and photographs, we do have to charge an extra fee.

The labor involved in this is extremely extensive and we take care to break these collections up over hundreds of lots to maximize the value for our consignors.

Mr. Borozny will get 60% of the buyer's premium, this was explained to him over the phone.

We explained to Mr. Borozny at the time how much work would be involved in this collection, that literally a team of people would be working on it, so we will have to charge for that.

We have never and would never take advantage of someone. The amount of work going carefully through a collection of this size, with most items not organized or authenticated, is a massive endeavor.


Thanks much - Steve Verkman"






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Other than that and OP’s two posts, there hasn’t been anything else from either of the two principals.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by egri

There is this message Steve sent to Leon to post at the beginning of the thread:



Other than that and OP’s two posts, there hasn’t been anything else from either of the two principals.

But that hasn't deterred us from creating an additional 200+ posts filled with speculation and opinion.

[BobbyStrawberry]

So is OP being charged interest on the advance or not?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

So is OP being charged interest on the advance or not?

FINALLY...some levity to lighten things up...

PEACE!

[egri]

Originally Posted by Mark17

But that hasn't deterred us from creating an additional 200+ posts filled with speculation and opinion.

‘Twas ever thus.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by raulus

Alternatively, at some point in the near future, we’ll all get tired of this thread and move on, probably mostly or entirely forgetting that it ever happened.

Indeed. Like that thread about the vast number of cards stolen at a card show. There's never been any closure on that one.

[egri]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Indeed. Like that thread about the vast number of cards stolen at a card show. There's never been any closure on that one.

There was a big thread about fake signed T206s about six or seven years ago that just kind of petered out. It wss big news for a while, I think close to two dozen signed T206s were revealed to be forgeries, and then it just died out.

[jayshum]

The OP is now sending me PMs telling more of his side of what happened. Is anyone else receiving similar messages? I would encourage him to post in the thread for everyone to see.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The OP is now sending me PMs telling more of his side of what happened. Is anyone else receiving similar messages? I would encourage him to post in the thread for everyone to see.

Yes, I believe he is having issues with the upload limitations.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The OP is now sending me PMs telling more of his side of what happened. Is anyone else receiving similar messages? I would encourage him to post in the thread for everyone to see.

Yes, please do. The view count on the thread indicates that many people are following it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The OP is now sending me PMs telling more of his side of what happened. Is anyone else receiving similar messages? I would encourage him to post in the thread for everyone to see.

No I haven't received one but would definitely be interested.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, I believe he is having issues with the upload limitations.

He didn't tell me about any problems he had posting so I don't know why he chose to PM me. Did he tell you anything more?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jayshum

He didn't tell me about any problems he had posting so I don't know why he chose to PM me. Did he tell you anything more?

I'll DM you.

[RCMcKenzie]

I would not sell my collection for a 60/40 split, but I can see where someone would. The whole thing of selling is a lot of work. I used to sell on eBay. Time value of money. Did my boxing card friend Greg argue both sides of this, or did I misread the thread?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I would not sell my collection for a 60/40 split, but I can see where someone would. The whole thing of selling is a lot of work. I used to sell on eBay. Time value of money. Did my boxing card friend Greg argue both sides of this, or did I misread the thread?

You misread the thread, 'friend'.

I am consistently against hiding inconvenient threads and lying, and also consistently in favor of evidence. That is not in the ballpark of a contradiction. To believe a contract does X or Y, one should....look at the contract. If there is an alleged usurious bill in violation of the contract, one should... look at the contract and the bill. Apparently this is not common sense and is problematic for some folks agendas.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, I believe he is having issues with the upload limitations.

Originally Posted by G1911

You misread the thread, 'friend'.

I am consistently against hiding inconvenient threads and lying, and also consistently in favor of evidence. That is not in the ballpark of a contradiction. To believe a contract does X or Y, one should....look at the contract. If there is an alleged usurious bill in violation of the contract, one should... look at the contract and the bill. Apparently this is not common sense and is problematic for some folks agendas.

Since this thread with 200+ posts has ground to a stop due to lack of new evidence, is there any chance someone can assist the OP with his apparent upload issues? My popcorn is getting stale.

[Leon]

I am consistently against idiots.
I spoke to the OP the 2nd day all of this trash was posted. I knew then that it's a big nothing-burger and should in no way affect the auction closing the next day. That is why it was moved. Plus it is explicitly against the rules to do what the OP did as his first post. It could have been deleted and that would have probably been the right thing to do.
If I were the AH I might just sue the OP. He knew exactly what he was doing and waffles back and forth on all kinds of stuff. He is totally in the wrong here, imo.
He had already spoken to lawyers, he told me, and no one would take it. That is because the whole thing is a bunch of crap. Lawyers will take good cases, most times.

And if I hear "evidentiary" again I might explode.

Originally Posted by G1911

You misread the thread, 'friend'.

I am consistently against hiding inconvenient threads and lying, and also consistently in favor of evidence. That is not in the ballpark of a contradiction. To believe a contract does X or Y, one should....look at the contract. If there is an alleged usurious bill in violation of the contract, one should... look at the contract and the bill. Apparently this is not common sense and is problematic for some folks agendas.

[Republicaninmass]

Is our free counselor in chief going to get the "items" back and sent to "the other auction house" for a "100%" commission?


We want to know!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is our free counselor in chief going to get the "items" back and sent to "the other auction house" for a "100%" commission?


We want to know!

I am with you and we want to know. Maybe after all the private messages with Greg they have to have gotten everything straightened out. Now if Greg would just post this valuable info instead of keeping it all to himself. Of course we would also need some proof from Greg that he isn't just making up what he "says" they "private" messaged about.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am with you and we want to know. Maybe after all the private messages with Greg they have to have gotten everything straightened out. Now if Greg would just post this valuable info instead of keeping it all to himself. Of course we would also need some proof from Greg that he isn't just making up what he "says" they "private" messaged about.

I did hapoen to notice the agreement was dated appears 11/30/24. But it could be my eyesight.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I did hapoen to notice the agreement was dated appears 11/30/24. But it could be my eyesight.

Correct the OP is raising this a couple of months after it happened. What is the Net 54 statute of limitations?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Correct the OP is raising this a couple of months after it happened. What is the Net 54 statute of limitations?

I hope we don't have one. These type of threads are comedic gold. I am with Leon on this being a big nothing burger. BUT it could turn it into comedic platinum with a few more posts from one member.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am consistently against idiots.
I spoke to the OP the 2nd day all of this trash was posted. I knew then that it's a big nothing-burger and should in no way affect the auction closing the next day. That is why it was moved. Plus it is explicitly against the rules to do what the OP did as his first post. It could have been deleted and that would have probably been the right thing to do.
If I were the AH I might just sue the OP. He knew exactly what he was doing and waffles back and forth on all kinds of stuff. He is totally in the wrong here, imo.
He had already spoken to lawyers, he told me, and no one would take it. That is because the whole thing is a bunch of crap. Lawyers will take good cases, most times.

And if I hear "evidentiary" again I might explode.

Yes, I'm the stupidest and worst man to ever live because I support an evidentiary (hopefully nobody explodes from suffering this brief encounter with basic logic) basis for things. Now can you point out where I 'made crap up' and lied while observing the history of doing this for Lelands? Or is that still a no go because your smear was untrue, you just don't like my opinion?

[Republicaninmass]

Finally we are getting somewhere