SGC is cranking on recent subs....WOW!!!!!!!

[bks14sr]

My first SGC sub:




Planning on shipping out tomorrow morning. I’m also located in FL, so hoping that helps my timeline as well. Tempting to just make the drive to hand deliver my cards, as shipping always makes me cringe.

Looking forward to getting shareable updates of my experience.


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[conor912]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

My first SGC sub:




Planning on shipping out tomorrow morning. I’m also located in FL, so hoping that helps my timeline as well. Tempting to just make the drive to hand deliver my cards, as shipping always makes me cringe.

Looking forward to getting shareable updates of my experience.


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Killer group!

[Oscar_Stanage]

Received my submission... oh wait, not really- I will get them tomorrow.
These are scans downloaded from SGC, who now warehouses high resolution scans of every graded card.

[Pat R]

That's a nice Matty for a 2.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Pat R

That's a nice Matty for a 2.

thanks, the colors are definitely bold, which is most important to me... but the corners are consistent with other 2s... grading is getting tougher overall.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

thanks, the colors are definitely bold, which is most important to me... but the corners are consistent with other 2s... grading is getting tougher overall.

Yeah I agree with the grade but it's a nice 2 with great registration, good centering, no creases or paper loss that I can see. It's the kind of t206's I like.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

My first SGC sub:




Planning on shipping out tomorrow morning. I’m also located in FL, so hoping that helps my timeline as well. Tempting to just make the drive to hand deliver my cards, as shipping always makes me cringe.

Looking forward to getting shareable updates of my experience.


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Nice group...I feel like you are leaving a lot of money on the table by not submitting to PSA.

[puckpaul]

It seems like sometimes SGC is getting strong prices at auction similar to PSA, but more on the newer graded cards. Just anecdotal observation. Have to look more closely, would be nice to consider a second option for top prices.

[dio]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

It seems like sometimes SGC is getting strong prices at auction similar to PSA, but more on the newer graded cards. Just anecdotal observation. Have to look more closely, would be nice to consider a second option for top prices.

the gap is getting closer, on vintage too some of them are even higher, but it depends on the card

SGC 10 GM(not 10 pristine) 1986 topps tiffany barry bonds sold for 8300, psa around 9000, the pristine 10 will outsell psa 10 if there's any

SGC 1 1953 topps mantle a 1 for 2750 on 13th, this one outsell a lot of psa1

Not sure about modern, but i heard liquidity and price is not good. But things can change quickly once ppl recognizes and appreciate the grading of SGC more

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Nice group...I feel like you are leaving a lot of money on the table by not submitting to PSA.

I’m not planning on selling anytime soon. But if I did decide, I’m confident I’d get the same in either slab. I say that based off the cards I’ve been chasing, as SGC cards have done no favors on price when I go to purchase. But, I understand why you’d say that.

[kmac32]

Submission logged today at SGC so we will see what the turn around is.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

I’m not planning on selling anytime soon. But if I did decide, I’m confident I’d get the same in either slab. I say that based off the cards I’ve been chasing, as SGC cards have done no favors on price when I go to purchase. But, I understand why you’d say that.

the perceived discount comes from an unfair comparison:
1) old slab SGC is generally a grade lower, so buyers discount it.
2) significance of PWCC sales for PSA which are not reality.
3) not enough data points to accurately compare. PSA cards have way more volume.

if you comp pretty much any card pre-1990, and take in consideration these 3 points, you'll get essentially the same price.

[Santo10Fan]

20-25 business day estimate. Reholder received on March 12, shipped March 23 (8 business days).

[hcv123]

I sent in a sub on March 12th. Tracking shows delivered March 17th. SGC still not showing it as "received"?

[TobaccoKing4]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I sent in a sub on March 12th. Tracking shows delivered March 17th. SGC still not showing it as "received"?

I would reach out to their customer service if you never got an email from them that confirmed they received your order by now.

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

I submitted a batch including raw cards, crossovers, and a reholder that was received on March 15. It's in post-grading processing as of this morning.

[jchcollins]

My 2 card Mantle submission was turned around in 7 business days - arrived 3/12 and shipped back yesterday. I'd say that's more than reasonable for $75 all in including shipping. I should hopefully have them back in my hot little hands on Friday.

[Frankish]

Today when I try to visit the SGC website, all of my browsers try to steer me away saying it isn't safe. Does anyone know if there is an issue there right now? Or maybe safari, chrome, and Firefox are all just haywire this morning....

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

I'm seeing the same thing. I imagine their IT is on this (or will be shortly).

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

Back up!

[Frankish]

It is back up, thanks. And I was able to get in touch with SGC. I'll probably send off a shipment of 50s Topps cards I've been meaning to get graded.

One thing I learned, though, is that they seemed to have narrowed their focus quite a bit. I wrote to customer service asking about a number of vintage Japanese cards that they've graded in the past (almost all of them are available at various dealers in SGC slabs right now) and was told that they do not currently grade these issues.

It makes sense. Streamlining their focus to the most commonly graded sets and steering away from less popular sets should let them streamline their operations and help avoid backlog issues seen at some of the other grading companies. Inconvenient for me at the moment, but probably a good move for the company....

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by TobaccoKing4

I would reach out to their customer service if you never got an email from them that confirmed they received your order by now.

I did reach out to customer service by email 2 days ago(have not seen a response to that email yet).

This morning I received a "received" email for my submission - so they got it 3/17. Logged it received 3/25. Showing on their website as in "post grading processing". To be continued.....

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

I got clobbered on my PSA crossovers, for anyone wondering about comparative grading standards.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

I got clobbered on my PSA crossovers, for anyone wondering about comparative grading standards.

Ya...I've had some real head scratchers from SGC recently. They are much tougher than PSA...atleast on pre wwi imo. Amazing how the masses have been mislead?

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

I got clobbered on my PSA crossovers, for anyone wondering about comparative grading standards.

Could you give some details?

[BabyRuth]

My order was received at SGC on 3/10, they shipped them back on 3/19 and I had the cards in hand on 3/22. Luckily, I started my submission form on 3/1 and got the $15/card rate!!! I'm not so sure I'll be sending anything in at the new price level of $25/card.

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

Could you give some details?

Three post-war (50s and 60s) cards in older PSA holders. I planned to cross them over because I prefer the SGC holder, think they're more consistent at grading vintage and pre-war, and simply think they run a better operation than PSA. I sent them in expecting grade reductions and picked minimum grades that I thought left plenty of room (up to a full grade lower). One came back .5 lower and the other two didn't meet the minimum standard. I should have sent them in for any numerical grade, which is what I'll likely do now.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

Three post-war (50s and 60s) cards in older PSA holders. I planned to cross them over because I prefer the SGC holder, think they're more consistent at grading vintage and pre-war, and simply think they run a better operation than PSA. I sent them in expecting grade reductions and picked minimum grades that I thought left plenty of room (up to a full grade lower). One came back .5 lower and the other two didn't meet the minimum standard. I should have sent them in for any numerical grade, which is what I'll likely do now.

I think this has to do with age of the grade. its a myth that any of the big 3 have 'tougher' standards. the fact is, 5 years ago everyone was grading on a looser scale. So if you cross an old PSA graded card to SGC (or an old SGC graded card to PSA) you are going to take a hit. this would not be a problem if everyone was 'buying the card' - the numerical grade should not matter.... but unfortunately, sellers are able to sell overgraded cards at their slabbed grade price. Not enough buyers are forcing their hands at the moment.

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

I think this has to do with age of the grade. its a myth that any of the big 3 have 'tougher' standards. the fact is, 5 years ago everyone was grading on a looser scale. So if you cross an old PSA graded card to SGC (or an old SGC graded card to PSA) you are going to take a hit. this would not be a problem if everyone was 'buying the card' - the numerical grade should not matter.... but unfortunately, sellers are able to sell overgraded cards at their slabbed grade price. Not enough buyers are forcing their hands at the moment.

We agree, I think. I expected a drop based on my own evaluation of the cards vs. the grade they had been assigned and the passage of time and thought I'd accounted for that. Not so. This was not to say that SGC is "tougher" than PSA, but that attributing "toughness" to PSA as some sort of standard bearer is misguided.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

We agree, I think. I expected a drop based on my own evaluation of the cards vs. the grade they had been assigned and the passage of time and thought I'd accounted for that. Not so. This was not to say that SGC is "tougher" than PSA, but that attributing "toughness" to PSA as some sort of standard bearer is misguided.

agreed.

[mintacular]

While I commend their quick turnaround times, I think there $25/card is a bit too high / too fast. In November or so they were $10/card and then cut off bulk subs and went to $15/card. Just 2 months later $25/card with PSA still offering $20/card value subs albeit a one year wait.... Point being I think $20 a card is where they should have landed, not $25, plus they were able to see PSAs new prices before responding.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

Received my submission... oh wait, not really- I will get them tomorrow.
These are scans downloaded from SGC, who now warehouses high resolution scans of every graded card.

Man do I need that Matty in a 2...

[YankeeHotelFoxtrot]

SO you collect for value?

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.

[YankeeHotelFoxtrot]

I pay 20 a card in bulk subs.

If you need one, let me know. Send 10 cards and it drops to $18 I believe

Originally Posted by mintacular

While I commend their quick turnaround times, I think there $25/card is a bit too high / too fast. In November or so they were $10/card and then cut off bulk subs and went to $15/card. Just 2 months later $25/card with PSA still offering $20/card value subs albeit a one year wait.... Point being I think $20 a card is where they should have landed, not $25, plus they were able to see PSAs new prices before responding.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by YankeeHotelFoxtrot

I pay 20 a card in bulk subs.

If you need one, let me know. Send 10 cards and it drops to $18 I believe

Not seeing any information on SGC site pertaining to "bulk" subs?

Have always preferred SGC until lately with the price increases.

Found some email on our last PSA bulk submission where I dropped off at USPS on May 11, 2020 (still waiting) - so pretty much done with PSA also for the foreseeable future.

I guess I am probably leaning more towards CSG these days for any new submissions........

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Not seeing any information on SGC site pertaining to "bulk" subs?

Have always preferred SGC until lately with the price increases.

Found some email on our last PSA bulk submission where I dropped off at USPS on May 11, 2020 (still waiting) - so pretty much done with PSA also for the foreseeable future.

I guess I am probably leaning more towards CSG these days for any new submissions........

I'm in a quandry myself. I am still waiting on a group sub from August. Crazy, I know. Something HAS to be done about the backlog.

[tjenkins]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

My first SGC sub:




Planning on shipping out tomorrow morning. I’m also located in FL, so hoping that helps my timeline as well. Tempting to just make the drive to hand deliver my cards, as shipping always makes me cringe.

Looking forward to getting shareable updates of my experience.


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Beautiful cards, especially that Aaron RC. I don't mean to horn in on this thread but, what is it going to cost you to get them graded?

I sent a 1971 Greatest Moments in of Killebrew and was very happy with SGC. I am thinking about sending these two in just to have them slabbed but I am concerned about cost. What do you think fees will be for these two. Is SGC tough on premium for higher end cards? Not concerned about high grades, just want them slabbed. I know a lot of people become concerned about leaving money on the table but these two cards have been and will always be PC cards. Any info from members would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[IMG]1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #144 (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]1906 T206 Ty Cobb (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

I got clobbered on my PSA crossovers, for anyone wondering about comparative grading standards.

Hey MC

I have gotten clobbered by both companies when attempting a crossover. Just sayin’.

[TobaccoKing4]

Originally Posted by tjenkins

Beautiful cards, especially that Aaron RC. I don't mean to horn in on this thread but, what is it going to cost you to get them graded?

I sent a 1971 Greatest Moments in of Killebrew and was very happy with SGC. I am thinking about sending these two in just to have them slabbed but I am concerned about cost. What do you think fees will be for these two. Is SGC tough on premium for higher end cards? Not concerned about high grades, just want them slabbed. I know a lot of people become concerned about leaving money on the table but these two cards have been and will always be PC cards. Any info from members would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[IMG]1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #144 (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]1906 T206 Ty Cobb (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

I've always subbed based on expected value after being graded, but someone that I know that subs modern to them told me that their price structure is strictly based on how much you want to insure the card for while they have it. According to him he subbed two Mike Trout rookie cards at the $499 ($25 per card) and it was fine.

[vthobby]

Many 1st hand accounts of MY cards beiing up charged so.....if you send these in at $500 value, you will get up charged. Fact.

My "guess" and it could range is that you will get an email or phone call that the fee will be $250 or so per card, maybe more.

You will NOT get these slabbed at SGC if you put $499 on the value.

Cool cards and I feel if you have the money, they need to be slabbed. They would look really nice slabbed regardless of what TPG you use but with SGC youll have them back within a couple to few weeks as opposed to months with other TPGs.

Peace, Mike

[bobbyw8469]

The colors on the Goudey Ruth seem off. I hope for your sake the card is real.

[Exhibitman]

Sent an order on the 10th; shipped back to me Friday. Kudos to SGC for delivering what they promised.



My next order will go in very soon.

[Huck]

PSA likely has a backlog of over a million cards. The right thing to do, would have been to stop accepting submissions. But no, PSA raises prices in an attempt to stem the flow.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...A4MjYwNTQyMQS2

[bks14sr]

Just an FYI, if you are shipping to SGC via USPS, your box is not delivered directly to SGC. But rather, boxes are held at the local post office and picked up by SGC. Not a huge deal, but it does take longer. My expensive shipment has been sitting at the post office since last Wednesday and still shows “Available for pickup”. I know there’s waits associated, but I also know how sloppy USPS/UPS type facilities are, as I worked for them for 15 yrs. I was told Fedex delivers direct.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

Just an FYI, if you are shipping to SGC via USPS, your box is not delivered directly to SGC. But rather, boxes are held at the local post office and picked up by SGC. Not a huge deal, but it does take longer. My expensive shipment has been sitting at the post office since last Wednesday and still shows “Available for pickup”. I know there’s waits associated, but I also know how sloppy USPS/UPS type facilities are, as I worked for them for 15 yrs. I was told Fedex delivers direct.

I have seen this recently with other companies that I have returned stuff to, but I noticed with SGC my package was "Out for Delivery" all day and then into the night, and never got scanned. Then the next day the tracking status said "Alert - Awaiting Delivery Scan". At some point this got fixed, but I had the email from SGC saying they had received my cards before the scan was made by the USPS that actually showed them delivered. It just seemed odd.

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I have seen this recently with other companies that I have returned stuff to, but I noticed with SGC my package was "Out for Delivery" all day and then into the night, and never got scanned. Then the next day the tracking status said "Alert - Awaiting Delivery Scan". At some point this got fixed, but I had the email from SGC saying they had received my cards before the scan was made by the USPS that actually showed them delivered. It just seemed odd.

These are the types of things that talk me out of sending bigger cards off for grading. Not worth the stress.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

Just an FYI, if you are shipping to SGC via USPS, your box is not delivered directly to SGC. But rather, boxes are held at the local post office and picked up by SGC. Not a huge deal, but it does take longer. My expensive shipment has been sitting at the post office since last Wednesday and still shows “Available for pickup”. I know there’s waits associated, but I also know how sloppy USPS/UPS type facilities are, as I worked for them for 15 yrs. I was told Fedex delivers direct.

it goes to a special room in the Post Office and they pick it up daily. There should never be more than 1 day from when the tracking says "delivered" and when its logged in the system. I am sure you have already done this, but definitely email SGC.

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

it goes to a special room in the Post Office and they pick it up daily. There should never be more than 1 day from when the tracking says "delivered" and when its logged in the system. I am sure you have already done this, but definitely email SGC.

Per tracking, it made it to their post office Thursday morning. Emailed SGC Thursday night after some odd tracking activity. Waited the rest of Thur, then Friday with USPS tracking still saying “Available for pickup”. Then expecting a pickup to occur today, nothing yet, same tracking status. I was told they make it by the post office a few times per week. I expect too much from others based off my own output/ethic/urgency I guess. I know my urgency would be up just a little if I knew a customer had a 10k box waiting for pickup.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I did reach out to customer service by email 2 days ago(have not seen a response to that email yet).

This morning I received a "received" email for my submission - so they got it 3/17. Logged it received 3/25. Showing on their website as in "post grading processing". To be continued.....

WOW!! As stated tracking shows my order received on the 17th. SGC logged it received March 25th - I am staring at my graded cards that I just received back!! The turnaround was INSANELY fast!!

Some thoughts:

1) As most of these cards are to sell, here is the way I see it - I would have to get $75 more per card just to cover the difference in grading fees if I went with PSA AND that doesn't account for the time value factor which is HUGE with PSA now - I have Thousdands of dollars in cards sitting at PSA in 5 separate orders, the oldest of which they received in July 2020 and HAVE NO IDEA WHEN I'LL SEE THEM AGAIN. Tying up inventory indefinitely/ for that length of time has a huge cost!! I think this is a real potential opportunity for SGC.

2) In terms of grades (and my opinion): 18 came back graded "right". 1 came back overgraded. 6 came back undergraded (3 of them GROSSLY undergraded).

3) SGC will be seeing more of my business!

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by hcv123

WOW!! As stated tracking shows my order received on the 17th. SGC logged it received March 25th - I am staring at my graded cards that I just received back!! The turnaround was INSANELY fast!!

Some thoughts:

1) As most of these cards are to sell, here is the way I see it - I would have to get $75 more per card just to cover the difference in grading fees if I went with PSA AND that doesn't account for the time value factor which is HUGE with PSA now - I have Thousdands of dollars in cards sitting at PSA in 5 separate orders, the oldest of which they received in July 2020 and HAVE NO IDEA WHEN I'LL SEE THEM AGAIN. Tying up inventory indefinitely/ for that length of time has a huge cost!! I think this is a real potential opportunity for SGC.

2) In terms of grades (and my opinion): 18 came back graded "right". 1 came back overgraded. 6 came back undergraded (3 of them GROSSLY undergraded).

3) SGC will be seeing more of my business!

Howard,

Thanks for sharing and your honesty on how you felt they graded your gems.
When I started this post just a few weeks ago in early March, i could not imagine it would have almost 10,000 views in a few weeks! I think SGC is a very obvious choice for informed and frustrated collectors and I'm glad to see others have figured that out. $25 a card is really a steal when you can actually hold your graded gem a mere month or less after you ship!

Thanks!

Peaxe, Mike