WWII BB cards....1943 M. P. & Co....Show us your cards

[GehrigFan]

One of the first pre-1950 sets I finished, and it wasn't all that easy. Almost all of them are either Authentic, Poor or Fair, except the DiMaggio which is a BVG 4.5.

I don't want to fill out the pictures since I have the set, but here is the Foxx:




Also, I have seen variations in back ink color on both the 1943 and 1949 issues. the only consistent I see on the 1949 set is the presence of a card number on the back. I also will note that the orientation of the backs is all over the place.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

One of the first pre-1950 sets I finished, and it wasn't all that easy. Almost all of them are either Authentic, Poor or Fair, except the DiMaggio which is a BVG 4.5.

I don't want to fill out the pictures since I have the set, but here is the Foxx:




Also, I have seen variations in back ink color on both the 1943 and 1949 issues. the only consistent I see on the 1949 set is the presence of a card number on the back. I also will note that the orientation of the backs is all over the place.

GehrigFan

So far, at the current rate of inputs here, I don't think we'll have all 24 cards displayed. So, feel free to show some more of your cards.


I hope you don't mind me correcting your statement ......"the only consistent I see on the 1949 set is the presence of a card number on the back."

There are 4 (or 5) 1949 M.P. & Co. cards that were never printed with card numbers.




TED Z
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[jp1216]

My 1 and only:

[CobbSpikedMe]

Here's my Reese for our virtual set.

Ted,

Since not all the 1949's have numbers on the back, is the best way to tell the difference the color of the text? Blue v. Black. I have a Hank Danning that doesn't have a number but does have black text. Does that mean it's a 1949?

Thanks a lot.

AndyH


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[JLange]

A little different than the last Bob Feller. The Standard Catalog suggests there could be several different variations of these cards. Can anyone shed any more light on the variations in this set?

[Harford20]

There has been some great discussion regarding the MP&Co sets. I have been researching these sets with regards specifically to Ted Williams. This has kind of been a "passion" of mine as these cards are often felt to be of lesser quality. I have discovered several points that seem to hold true.

1. As TedZan noted, the 1943 front version seems to consistently have a darker sky and lighter colored backstop

2. The 1949 front version is very light blue, with the backstop color almost the same as the sky

3. The ink colors for the backs varied greatly for example (using Ted Williams):
a. The 1943 back versions for Ted come in both a black and dark blue ink. These are very distinctive when held in your hand side-by-side
b. For Ted, there were several spelling errors in both the 1943 and 1949 versions,
i. Including his first name “THEORDORE” vs “THEODORE” on the 1943
ii. Several spelling errors on the 1949, “THEORORE” vs “THEODORE” and in the middle name “FRANCES” vs “FRANCIS”
c. The 1949 back ink was only noted in black to my knowledge (based on Ted Williams)

4. The 1943 versions had the “M. P. & Co., N.Y.C.” at the bottom whereas this was removed for the 1949 version cards

5. The 1949 MP&Co had both a “numbered” version and a “no number” version for many cards. I have seen many PSA/SGC labeled cards with 1943 on the flip when the card is actually a 1949 no number version.

6. The paragraph formation of the 1943 and 1949 sets varied; esp how the player name and position was listed

The photos below illustrate most all of these variations. I own nearly all of these variations for Ted Williams, with the exception the 1943 blue ink back “Theordore”. All my cards are either PSA of SGC graded, from SGC/PSA Authentic x2, PSA1, PSA2.5, PSA5 x2, SGC 5.5.

Please, if there are further discussions on Ted I would love to hear about them. I cannot say what other cards of either set would hold to these "Ted Williams Rules".

Thanks for reading,
Dave

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Harford20

There has been some great discussion regarding the MP&Co sets. I have been researching these sets with regards specifically to Ted Williams. This has kind of been a "passion" of mine as these cards are often felt to be of lesser quality. I have discovered several points that seem to hold true.

1. As TedZan noted, the 1943 front version seems to consistently have a darker sky and lighter colored backstop

2. The 1949 front version is very light blue, with the backstop color almost the same as the sky

3. The ink colors for the backs varied greatly for example (using Ted Williams):
a. The 1943 back versions for Ted come in both a black and dark blue ink. These are very distinctive when held in your hand side-by-side
b. For Ted, there were several spelling errors in both the 1943 and 1949 versions,
i. Including his first name “THEORDORE” vs “THEODORE” on the 1943
ii. Several spelling errors on the 1949, “THEORORE” vs “THEODORE” and in the middle name “FRANCES” vs “FRANCIS”
c. The 1949 back ink was only noted in black to my knowledge (based on Ted Williams)

4. The 1943 versions had the “M. P. & Co., N.Y.C.” at the bottom whereas this was removed for the 1949 version cards

5. The 1949 MP&Co had both a “numbered” version and a “no number” version for many cards. I have seen many PSA/SGC labeled cards with 1943 on the flip when the card is actually a 1949 no number version.

6. The paragraph formation of the 1943 and 1949 sets varied; esp how the player name and position was listed

The photos below illustrate most all of these variations. I own nearly all of these variations for Ted Williams, with the exception the 1943 blue ink back “Theordore”. All my cards are either PSA of SGC graded, from SGC/PSA Authentic x2, PSA1, PSA2.5, PSA5 x2, SGC 5.5.

Please, if there are further discussions on Ted I would love to hear about them. I cannot say what other cards of either set would hold to these "Ted Williams Rules".

Thanks for reading,
Dave

Dave

Great info here on the variations of the Ted Williams cards. Thanks for posting this.

I especially appreciate your........
"5. The 1949 MP&Co had both a “numbered” version and a “no number” version for many cards. I have seen many PSA/SGC labeled
cards with 1943 on the flip when the card is actually a 1949 no number version."

Furthermore,
the Grading Company's are not aware of all the printing anomalies that exist with these cards. For example, my observation of certain 1943 cards
with Pale Blue sky color and lacking Blue ink bio text is simply the result of MP & Co. missing the final BLUE ink application in their printing process.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Here is this 24-card set in it's strip format as it was sold to the public. I acquired the strip (A) shown here 26 years ago for less than $20.
Currently, these uncut 8-card strips in decent condition are selling for anywhere from $500 - $1000.

Strip A........

v................................................. .... original uncut 8-card strip (21 1/2 inches long) .................................................. ....v




Strip B........

MIZE - REISER - HACK - NOVIKOFF - CAMILLI - RUFFING - HUBBELL - GREENBERG


Strip C........

BOUDREAU - M. COOPER - WILLIAMS - DICKEY - FOXX - FELLER - OTT - W. COOPER



TED Z
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[dlfallen]

Since Stan Hack has not yet made an appearance, I offer a scan of my copy. It's not a bad scan, the card is actually that bad.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Here's my Reese for our virtual set.

Ted,

Since not all the 1949's have numbers on the back, is the best way to tell the difference the color of the text? Blue v. Black.

I have a Hank Danning that doesn't have a number but does have black text. Does that mean it's a 1949?

Thanks a lot.

AndyH


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Before I answer your question, let me mention that "Hank" Danning is a typo error. It should read "Harry" Danning.

So, the answer to your question is absolutely NO. Harry Danning exists only in the 1943 set. His Major Lge. career ended in 1942;
therefore, he was not included in the 1949 set.

Contrary to what I've noted in an earlier post here, there appears to be no consistency in the the bio text color in the 1943 cards.
Approx. 95-99 % of the 1943 cards that I have (or have seen) are printed with BLUE ink. On occasion, a BLACK ink 1943 card will surface.

Whatever, it's a strange set.

TED Z
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[calvindog]

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