New York - City of Losers

[Shoeless Moe]

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

[Hxcmilkshake]

Quality post

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[packs]

Yeah, well, it uh......takes one to know one.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

ya...and..."your mother!"

[vintagetoppsguy]

I don't know about all that, but as an Astros fan it was nice seeing Cole (former Astro) get lit up.

[packs]

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

He was quite good I thought in 2020 and his metrics were only down slightly from the Houston years. This year, definitely a notch down though he was still one of the few best pitchers in the league if a little inconsistent.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Bang the trashcan......slowly.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Beats me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

[Seven]

This might come off slightly biased at a Yankees fan but the fact that the Yankees are considered abject failures, because they don't win the World Series year in and year out is kind of ridiculous. Haven't had a losing season since the early 90's, have won 5 World Series trophies in the past 30 years. I have been able to see more than my fair share of Yankees success. While I wish this year turned out differently, and while I definitely have many gripes with how money is being allocated, and our current manager I can hardly complain about the results in my short lifetime.

I've been to many ballparks, I do not think our fans are remotely close to the worst in the sport. Philadelphia, and Sox fans can be brutal, but so can every fan base. Yes we have our obnoxious "27 Rings" group, but not everyone is like that and gross generalizations about the fan base aren't exactly accurate.

Cole has been a great pitcher for us. His metrics both this year and last year prove that. He's been battling a hamstring injury for the greater portion of the past month. These are not excuses, he didn't show up to an important game, and that's why we paid him the big bucks. But if I'm going to harass our best starter over the past two seasons for a couple of bad performances, than I'd just be ignorant. Good thing he will have the opportunity to prove himself next year. I did not think this team was healthy nor constructed in the right manner to win a World Series. I am hardly surprised by the results.

I cannot speak for the other teams. I have little interest outside of Baseball and Soccer though I suppose I support the New York Jets as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you what exactly is wrong with them.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

Edgy

[D. Bergin]

Cole is a fantastic pitcher, but obviously the sticky stuff helped him...and every other power pitcher on the planet, who relied on late movement along with some semblance of control.

On the Yankees, I think it also hurt Aroldis quite a bit, when they started to clamp down on the syrup.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

The Brooklyn Antivaxers are the current favorite to win the NBA title this year, even with one of their stars set to play in a part time role.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ames-practices

[packs]

I'm going to say it because it hasn't been said, but the Giants, Jets and Islanders don't play in New York City.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm going to say it because it hasn't been said, but the Giants, Jets and Islanders don't play in New York City.

....but you would claim them if they won a championship. C'mon man

[ALR-bishop]

Meg Boyd...."Is Washington winning dear ? "

Joe Boyd....."No. Those Damn Yankees"

[Shoeless Moe]

Sorry, I forgot about Brooklyn (basketball is the one sport I do not watch), thought the Nets were in New Jersey until someone replied in the thread but I'm sure they are like every other New York team, spend spend spend......LOSE.

I actually watched the end of the Jets game last Sunday.

I even rooted for them at the end.

They are like that worst kid on the team who hasn't has a hit all season, then finally gets one, and the team erupts.

That's what NY has been reduced too.

LOVE

IT

[Hxcmilkshake]

Go get some fresh air.

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[packs]

I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

[packs]

I'm not really understanding what's to be admired about a team like the Rays either. How can you celebrate losing? Or want to emulate a team who lost enough to finally be good? How is that a recipe anyone would want to follow? You think there are teams out there considering being terrible for 20 years on purpose to finally be good and still not win a World Series?

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not really understanding what's to be admired about a team like the Rays either. How can you celebrate losing? Or want to emulate a team who lost enough to finally be good? How is that a recipe anyone would want to follow? You think there are teams out there considering being terrible for 20 years on purpose to finally be good and still not win a World Series?

And if the Rays could spend money they would. They aren't being noble, they literally can't afford any body.

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[packs]

Hard to believe a billionaire owner can't afford something. Whether or not they care about the team is different from being able to afford one. If you have a team at all, you can afford to make it good if you wanted to.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

Add in a long stretch of what were really good decisions on who to sign, who to trade and when etc.
Whoever was doing their player selection back then did an amazing job.

And that's from a Red Sox fan who was a bit jealous his favorite team couldn't get that right most of the time.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

Yah they didn't buy a championship in 2009, you're a funny guy.

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/mlb/id/4054743

[packs]

Again, I think you're making the mistake of assuming that if you pay your players to remain on your team, you've somehow "bought" a championship. I already went ahead and broke down the starting line up and pitching staff for you.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

Again, I think you're making the mistake of assuming that if you pay your players to remain on your team, you've somehow "bought" a championship. I already went ahead and broke down the starting line up and pitching staff for you.

Can you break down their payroll and free agent acquisitions?

[egri]

Originally Posted by packs

I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett were key parts of that team, and they were all signed as free agents the previous offseason in a massive spending binge. They took a team that had missed the playoffs the year before and won a World Series. Even in the 1990s/early 2000s teams, David Cone, Roger Clemens, Paul O'Neil and David Wells (just off the top of my head) came to New York either as free agents or in trades.

[packs]

So what? The core of the team was built from within. Unless you're saying Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, and Jorge Posada were inconsequential to their championships and it was just a total coincidence that when they emerged on the scene the Yankees won for the first time in almost 20 years. And that's not even taking into account heroes of the moment like Ramiro Mendoza or Shane Spencer, or Ricky Ledee and you're seriously discounting the Yankees ability to sign the right guy at the right time, which can't be reflected more clearly in guys like Mike Stanton and Jeff Nelson. You call that buying players but I don't think anyone could have possibly anticipated what you were getting when you got guys like Jeff Nelson, or Mike Stanton. Paul O'Neil was a one time All Star that they traded Roberto Kelly for. That's an intelligent trade and not "buying" a player.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

So what? The core of the team was built from within. Unless you're saying Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, and Jorge Posada were inconsequential to their championship and it was just a total coincidence that when they emerged on the scene the Yankees won for the first time in almost 20 years.

So what?????

So your argument completely fell apart.

"massive spending binge"

Cmon Pac Man remove your New York arrogance and ignorance and admit it!

There's no shame in being wrong. Which you are.


https://www.espn.com/mlb/freeagents/...8/type/dollars

[egri]

Originally Posted by packs

So what? The core of the team was built from within. Unless you're saying Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, and Jorge Posada were inconsequential to their championships and it was just a total coincidence that when they emerged on the scene the Yankees won for the first time in almost 20 years. And that's not even taking into account heroes of the moment like Ramiro Mendoza or Shane Spencer, or Ricky Ledee and you're seriously discounting the Yankees ability to sign the right guy at the right time, which can't be reflected more clearly in guys like Mike Stanton and Jeff Nelson. You call that buying players but I don't think anyone could have possibly anticipated what you were getting when you got guys like Jeff Nelson, or Mike Stanton. Paul O'Neil was a one time All Star that they traded Roberto Kelly for. That's an intelligent trade and not "buying" a player.

The core four had missed the playoffs the year before, and hadn't made it past the first round since 2004. Unless you're saying that adding a former CYA winner, the AL strikeout leader from the year before, and the league leader in home runs that year was all incidental to their title run. Alex Rodriquez and Hideki Matsui had something to do with that run as well. Then they've bought plenty of players who haven't worked out either, like Carl Pavano, Jacoby Ellsbury, or Kei Igawa. I'm not sure what 'heroes of the moment' has to do with anything; sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, sometimes you don't, and for each time you do, there are plenty of backup players who were put in the spotlight and wilted. They did a good job drafting and developing the core four, but what put them over the top was the free agent signings. The 87-win 2000 team doesn't make the playoffs without Roger Clemens, and he always turned it up a notch in the postseason.

[Hxcmilkshake]

You guys are hilarious defending the Rays "small market approach"

You know they are mid pack in terms of market size, right?

And that if they could get free agents they would right?

They do what they do out of necessity since they draw like a minor league team.

And to the guys who rip the Yankees now for spending, fine they are an ez target.

But then you can't rip them when they win??

Whatever works right?

Or you're just bitter and jealous and don't like NY for some reason?

Being bitter and jealous is a great look.

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