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Posted By: Sean
im new here and im hearing that 1863 Jordan & Co. are the first baseball cards you know the 4 card set but then some people dont consider thats a baseball card they think a Cartes De visite isnt a baseball car which that it is i need some help here these cards are the oldest baseball cards that i have ever found are these really the oldest baseball cards? if not tell me if there are other ones and if you have links to the website where you found it that would help and is the 1863 "Grand Match At Hoboken" Benefit card Of Harry Wright really a baseball card or not? thanks |
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Posted By: David McDonald
Try here first: |
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Posted By: Sean
i dont get it what am i supposed to do in it |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
The Hoboken Match is generally not considered a baseball card, as it was used as a ticket or pass. There are other Hoboken cards, but it is no known that the folks pictured are baseball players. They may have been cricket players. |
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Posted By: Bobby
David, |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Tough crowd. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
A kid doing a school paper once asked me what was the oldest baseball card. Assuming he didn't want to hear baseball card classification theory, I said it was the 1869 Peck & Snyder Reds. |
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Posted By: Jason
and then there is a great sense of humor |
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Posted By: leon
The first baseball card, to me, is the 1868 Atlantics card...The first professional card is the 1869 Peck and Snyder Team card, as they were all paid. This is very "relative" and everyone has their own opinion. The other ticket-cards etc...could be cards to some folks, but not me. Best regards |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have a card from 1861-64 that features Henry Chadwick standing alongside members of the Brooklyn Resolutes and the Philadelphia Athletics from the National Association of Baseball Players. |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
Hey Bobby, |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
Hal Lewis do you have pictures for that Henry Chadwick card? that would be very useful if you do if you dont try to get some thanks. |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
and im new here and why am i being make fun of im only 11 years old |
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Posted By: leon
Welcome aboard. I have a daughter that is 9. Don't worry about us old guys....we're mostly harmless. You, my little friend, are the next, next generation of vintage baseball card collectors. For the record there are many adults that don't write as well as you do. Keep on posting on our board....I will make sure us old guys don't upset you too much.....This is fair warning guys...... |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
If it's a Peck & Synder we're calling the first baseball card, then I would think the honor would go to the P&S Jim Creighton, as it probably predates the Atlantics by a good several years. If it's CDVs, then it would be the Brooklyn Atlantics, which dates to 1860 or 1861. The Resolutes/Philadelphia (which also has in the image Henry Chadwick) that Hal refers to most likely dates to around 1864. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Hey Sean, |
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Posted By: V117Collector
Sean, |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
thanks guys but i still need that picture or pictures that refers to Hal Lewis's Card it will be really cool and nice if you get me a picture of it thanks guys bye |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
hey corey could you get me that picture of that 1860 to 1861 Card that would be very helpful if you do i just need those 2 pictures because i thought the 1863 Jordan And Co Were the oldest cards and the card that refers to Hal if its really 1864 than Jordan And Co would be older than that card so |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
is no 11 year old. |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
yea i am my birthday is June 7th 1995 |
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Posted By: George H. Counter
Why do you need those scans so bad? |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
because i want too see how it looks like |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
hey corey is this the brooklyn atlantics card you were talking about from 1860 to 1861 |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
The card or cardboard with baseball images on it posted above pictures the 1865 Atlantics. |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
yea i just noticed that too but thanks for saying it |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
hey corey Peck And Snyder Began in 1868-`1870 right so Jordan And Co Would Be older than right tell me if this is right |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
Though I don't know the exact year that Peck and Snyder started, I know it was before 1868. What many consider the first card was produced by Peck and Snyder in 1863, featuring Jim Creighton. |
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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
Hi Corey, |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
if it really is from 1863 than it would tie with Jordan And Co Since Both of them were made in 1863 |
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Posted By: Mark
My earliest baseball card, er, I mean my earliest crickett CDV: |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
And here is my ex cricket CdV prior to encapsulation |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Hey Sean, what are these Jordan & Company cards? I haven't heard of them before. |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
thats cool nice card you got there |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
Jordan And Company has very little information ill try to do my best Jordan And Company is a 4 Card Set it was made in 1863 the most famous card from the set is the Harry Wright Card that Keith olbermann has as we speak by the way if you have a Standard catalog Of Baseball cards than it will talk about 1863 Jordan And Co and it shows a picture of the harry wright card and the other 3 cards in the set if anybody has a link about jordan and co that would be useful because i hope that helped you |
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Posted By: Jordan And Company
wait Jimmy you have that William Crossley Card |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
The name of the photographer's studio owner was Andrew Jordan. |
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Posted By: leon
Please call me at my office. I would like to speak with you...my number is 972-774-7032...I do need to discuss a few things about the board with you. |
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Posted By: PC
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
The Jordan & Co.s "cards" in my view are not baseball cards because they (i) were issued as tickets for a championship cricket match (as such I regard them as tickets) and (ii) depict players in cricket attire (so if cards would be cricket cards). With that said, they nonetheless are great items, just not baseball cards. Images of the c. 1863 P&S Creighton and the 1860/1861 Brooklyn Atlantics CDV can be found in Stephen Wong's book "Smithsonian Baseball". The Creighton image can also be found in Mark Rucker's book on CDVs. I would post them if I could, but I am one of the more technologically inept members of this Board. |
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Posted By: leon
hope you learn a lot.... |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Hey Corey, I was in a bookstore and looked for the first time at the Smithsonian book. For those who haven't seen the book, there's a chapter devoted to Corey's 1800s baseball collection. |
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Posted By: joe brennan
Maybe he's not allowed to make long distance phone calls? |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
Corey, I agree with your analysis. |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Even assuming the last match was to be a baseball match, the fact that the "cards" were issued as tickets of admission to me doesn't change the fact that they are still tickets. Also, because the players are still attired in their cricket garb (i.e., they didn't reshoot the images to show them in baseball attire), if cards, I still would regard them as cricket cards. |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
Corey, I agree with you. |
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Posted By: Mark
Amazingly, I learned today from the PSA pop report that the first bb cards were issued in 1800: |
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Posted By: leon
Sean (hi Sean) and I just spoke. I must say he is a grown up 11 yr. old. His dad knows he's on the chatboard. As long as nothing is naughty, it's ok. I asked about cards and his earliet is 1956. He sounded a little timid as I think I might be a little scary (to him). So I would again like to welcome our youngest board member, Sean. This is also a good lesson in why we do need to be cognizant of what we say, and the audience in cyberspace. regards |
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Posted By: Max Weder
1956? Quick, someone send him a t206! |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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