Today's Wash. Post has major piece re the BB card fraud

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I guess (not that Jeff can be expected to answer) my big question is whether or not PWCC is still trying to portray themselves as innocent victims of the card doctoring "community" or are they being upfront about the fact that they were in cahoots with them.

It should be obvious based on my posts what our position is I'd hope.

Originally Posted by drcy

Though it is kind of funny if Brent said "Uh oh. I'm in such big trouble that I'd better get El Chapo's lawyer."

Though, obviously, Jeffrey has knowledge of this particular hobby, which it seems is what one would want for a lawyer on either side. You don't want to hire a lawyer who collects beanie babies or funky earrings-- totally different law. I'm sure Brent has also gone into this knowing that Jeffrey is a dog person ("Betsy, we can't chance it. Hide the cat! Oh, shoot, the closet's full. Call it Fido and maybe he won't notice.")

I recently befriended a neighborhood cat named Hobo and am pretty into him. We meet at night and in the morning during dog walks.

And as you guessed, I'm not exactly in need of baseball hobby cases with the stuff I'm doing now. But I'd rather deal with this stuff from the inside than to be on the outside, screaming my head off and not accomplishing anything.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I recently befriended a neighborhood cat named Hobo and am pretty into him. We meet at night and in the morning during dog walks.

I'm a dog person, but pet cats I meet on my walk home. Stay away from the raccoons.

[Beastmode]

Reading between the lines here Jeff, looks like a wedge is forthcoming between PSA and PWCC, with you being the hammer. Can we assume that PSA's warranty is worth sh**, or they told PWCC to pound sand since PWCC is now refunding buyers?

I would think part of your long term strategy is eventually recovering funds from the source of encapsulating altered cards, PSA.

[Johnny630]

What is going on at NEWPORT BEACH ?

THEIR SILENCE IS DEAFENING :-(

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Reading between the lines here Jeff, looks like a wedge is forthcoming between PSA and PWCC, with you being the hammer. Can we assume that PSA's warranty is worth sh**, or they told PWCC to pound sand since PWCC is now refunding buyers?

I would think part of your long term strategy is eventually recovering funds from the source of encapsulating altered cards, PSA.

Not that I am exactly in love with PSA in this scenario, but I do understand where they're coming from. PWCC and the card doctors set out to get one over on them, so they are forcing them to deal with it. I certainly don't think they should in turn be making the bad actors whole.

That being said my big problem with PSA is that they've done nothing but obfuscate and make non-statements. I wish that they'd come out and say, we were fooled by bad actors, we screwed up and we're working to identify and eliminate from the hobby the people that have undermined the hobby's confidence in general and in us specifically. We will also work to correct our internal issues which led to our part in allowing this to happen when it is anathema to our purpose as a company and a leader in the hobby.

OK getting off my soap box for now.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not that I am exactly in love with PSA in this scenario, but I do understand where they're coming from. PWCC and the card doctors set out to get one over on them, so they are forcing them to deal with it. I certainly don't think they should in turn be making the bad actors whole.

That being said my big problem with PSA is that they've done nothing but obfuscate and make non-statements. I wish that they'd come out and say, we were fooled by bad actors, we screwed up and we're working to identify and eliminate from the hobby the people that have undermined the hobby's confidence in general and in us specifically. We will also work to correct our internal issues which led to our part in allowing this to happen when it is anathema to our purpose as a company and a leader in the hobby.

OK getting off my soap box for now.

Scott, your last paragraph, I'm in complete agreement with....its more then reasonable to want this to happen.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It should be obvious based on my posts what our position is I'd hope.

My question wasn't about YOUR position. I also didn't expect an answer from you simply because of attorney client privilege, not because I thought you'd be evasive.