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cards that dont exist but are in the bible
please prove me wrong if u can anyone?
1941 harry hartman debt of gratitude 1946 sports exchange aaron robinson throwing 1952 num num kennedy with the tab? 1962 kahns perry indians back 1962 kahns purkey no autograph 1962 topps stamp panel white/mcbride 1963 idl pirates bob skinner 1969 kahns ron santo red 1969 fleer 3-d team trophy expos 1962 fleer logos mets colts twins angels these are redbacks 1967 punchouts gibson grote campaneris macmillan b.robinson 100% sure these dont exist 1968 plaks mays aaron peters robinson drysdale 99% sure sflayank@aol.com |
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1940 Michigan Sport Service Hal Newhouser?
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Are the cards never made cards or existed but are not known at present cards?
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unknown
plaks and punchouts were probably never made
the num num kennedy with tab was made..are there any left i dont know the other stuff i have no idea if they were made if they exist or what hoping to get proof of their existence here |
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unseen cards
well 126 views so far and noone has one of these cards or even a scan of one?
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Urban Legends in The Big Book
Larry---my experience is consistent with yours on the 67 Punch Outs, the 68 Plaks, the 62 Fleer red Logos and the 69 3D Fleer Caps. If you are right, I am done with those. I do not do the others from your list.
By the way, I assume you would include the 62 Sievers as an Athletic in the myth category as well |
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hi
i didnt even realize sievers athletic stamp was listed in the book i have my doubts on that one too...I have to ask bob lemke where some of these came from when i send him new additions i almost always send him a scan so im curious how these items get in there larry |
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I've collected Num Nums for years, and though I've never seen a Kennedy with tab, two friends in the hobby who I have tremendous respect for each have told me they've seen one. Based on that, I believe there's at least one (or two) out there.
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Absolutely no way on the '40 Reds Harry Hartman W711-2 Debt of Gratitude card. I believe Bob said it was being dropped from the catalog as well.
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Many of the erroneously listed cards come from old checklists and collectors' recollections that were "canonized" as the checklisting process was under way in pre-computer days. Some resulted from assumptions about the content of certain sets where the assumed qualifier was dropped. Others result from old analyses that have been disproved over time through new research. A great example is the dating on the U.S. Caramel set, which had long been given as a particular year set until collectors started analyzing the card backs and realized that the date had to be wrong. The 1925 Exhibit Champions Babe Ruth was listed as a 1932 issue in conjunction with the World's Fair until analysis of the rest of the set established that it was really a 1925 issue. The 1925-31 PC Back Exhibit set was listed as 1926-29 for a long time until analysis of the player team designations established that some of the cards were 1930-1931 issues and others were very likely 1925 issues. Even T206 was given as a 1910 set for a long time until researchers established a multi-year issue sequence over the various series.
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67 Punchouts
Agree with others on the 67 Punch Outs
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Larry,
scratch the Expos Plaque for sure. This blog has the best Fleer oddball research I've ever seen: http://fleersticker.blogspot.com/200...y-plaques.html The 1962 Mets & Colt .45s are out, Angels & Twins still a little foggy, probably don't exist. http://fleersticker.blogspot.com/sea...&max-results=6 Randy |
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2 Exist
The 62 Kahns Purkey (No autograph) exists as do 2 versions of the Jim Perry (Indians / Cleveland Indians backs)
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hi thanks for the kahns info
do you have scans |
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1962 Kahns
I too have both Perry's but no Purkey as defined.
Mark |
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It's obviously pre-war but how about the W600 Branch Rickey?
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dont exist cards
ok 436 views
punchouts plaks dont exist harry hartman debt of gratitude doesnt exist 69 fleer expos doesnt exist 62 fleer mets colts dont exist 62 fleer angels twins dont exist even though they appear in 61 set...thats pretty weird 62 kahns purkey no auto and perry indians DO exist although the people who have them wont show us the num num kennedy with tab exists probably less than 5 how about the kahns 69 santo RED? the aaron robinson throwing sports exhange? 63 idl pirates skinner? and what should be the easiest to prove the 62 stamp panel of white and mcbride Last edited by sflayank; 03-19-2010 at 10:08 AM. |
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How does one prove that a card doesn't exist? Wouldn't it just be speculation?
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dont exist
original post is prove me wrong that they don t exist
so show me a scan of any of those mentioned and youll prove it |
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Prove me wrong?
I agree with Drduet (Post #18). Many truly rare cards have been locked in private collections for decades and simply do not circulate in the hobby. There are several that I question the existence of myself, but until the original source of research can be identified, both Beckett & Krause / FW are right in keeping the listings intact. Additionally, there are hundreds, if not thousands of longtime collectors that do not monitor this board, or other online boards, for a variety of reasons. Not to say that there are not errors in the various checklisting resources. It is a good idea for advanced specialists to compare notes, and isolate the questionable items, as your initial post sought to do, but keeping in mind that there are many 'one of a kind', or 'less than fives' in the hobby. Monitoring larger auctions or Ebay, which only goes back a dozen years will provide incomplete research.... Regarding scans, I do not do scans, but I'll happily provide you with color copies of the above cards (They will be marked as coming from my collection to prevent misuse of the image), provided that you mail a check to the charity of my choice (The Association of Professional Ball Players of America) in the amount of $100. The APBPA helps hundreds of ballplayers annually and at least someone will truly benefit from this query. You can email me privately and we can exchange mailing info.
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dont exist?
you dont say which cards you have color copies of
so how can i make a decision u can email me sflayank@aol.com Last edited by sflayank; 03-20-2010 at 06:29 AM. |
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One down...
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62 Stamps
Good one Doug
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white mcbride
thats a good one thanks
i thought i saw one years ago on ebay and forgot about it now i have to find one to finish the set would you want to sell this one? Last edited by sflayank; 12-21-2010 at 03:31 PM. |
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Not for sale, because I'm working on the set, too.
Doug |
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A slightly different reason
For keeping a card that "does not exist" in a printed tome.
is that if you suspect someone is "stealing" your data; having a false entry in your book or data base can be proved in a court of law. For years it was believe Who's Who in America always printed a few false biographies each year to find out exactly who might be interested in stealing their data. Regards Rich |
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Map publishers do the same thing - fake streets.
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Actually
It wasn't the "Checklist" which brought down CPU -- it was using the exact same pricing structure as it came to Bill Virdon cards -- semi-star every year except for 1963 which was not listed as a semi-star which brought down CPU
My point was that to put in incorrect data can be a trap -- but Adam is right; checklists themselves are public documents but if anything is added that is when the plagarism can take place. If a card is added to a checklist and then someone else steals that card and you are able to prove that you did that as a trap I believe you would win in a court of law but that is a borderline lssue. Rich |
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As I recall (and I may be misremembering it) the case wasn't fought--CPU just folded in the face of the demand--so we don't know what might have been the outcome.
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W711-2 Debt of Gratitude Card does it exist?? YEP!!
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Bringing this thread back from the dead. I just picked up a near set in the box of the W711-2 Reds that I am looking to move. Researched what cards I was missing. ( McCormick and Thompson) and two or three of the non player cards. Saw this post about you guys looking for The Debt of Gratitude card saying it doesn't exisit. I don't have one but found one in this current ebay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/38580725245...Bk9SR9DV443JYg So it seems it does exist.
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Great find
Great find Fred! It’s not even really a sports card but apparently came in the set so for oddball nuts it’s pretty cool. Funny how for some people ( like me ) weird unusual and extremely rare stuff trumps Mickey Mantle . Go figure….
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Adding a photo to the thread as a record-
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For the 1968 Topps Plaks, is this what you had in mind?
There’s so many of them floating around these days that I suspect I must be wrong. Either that or they’ve suddenly become much more available in the last 13 years.
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What you show are the checklist cards that came in the package with the Plaks. Below is an example of the actual Plaks which is what the OP is asking if it exists
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Found this online: http://www.milehighcardco.com/exceed...-lot25671.aspx But maybe there's some question about whether this item was legit? Or maybe this is a different triplet sprue than the OP is looking for? Edited to add: Also found this: http://www.thetoppsarchives.com/2020...cket-list.html
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I have a set of the Plaks and an unopened pack plus the 2 checklists but no Mays. I leave it to Larry on that. If he had it/has it I believe him
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I'm just glad that 1967 Topps Punchouts Bob Gibson doesn't exist.... At least as a super short print. If they were printed in quantities like the other Cardinals I would already have one.
Al, I got my Brock and Flood from you many years ago. For modern cards, how about 2002 Topps Albert Pujols corrected back? The back shows Placido Polanco. Topps corrected the Chrome, Chrome Refractor, Opening Day, and Home Team Advantage (HTA). I still contend to this day that a regular base corrected back DOES NOT exist. I have the HTA (corrected and error). They come from a certain factory set (blue box, I think). I am very certain of this unless someone can prove me wrong. |
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Never mind, lol.
I had the wrong card.
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Nevermind, already posted.
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13 year update
please prove me wrong if u can anyone?
1941 harry hartman debt of gratitude DOES EXIST 1946 sports exchange aaron robinson throwing ? 1952 num num kennedy with the tab? ? 1962 kahns perry indians back 1962 kahns purkey no autograph 1962 topps stamp panel white/mcbride DOES EXIST 1963 idl pirates bob skinner DOES EXIST 1969 kahns ron santo red DOES NOT EXIST 1969 fleer 3-d team trophy expos DOES NOT EXIST 1962 fleer logos mets colts twins angels these are redbacks DOES NOT EXIST 1967 punchouts gibson grote campaneris macmillan b.robinson 100% sure these dont exist DO NOT EXIST 1968 plaks mays EXISTS OTHERS? aaron peters robinson drysdale 99% sure Last edited by sflayank; 09-01-2023 at 07:17 AM. |
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Larry, was another one found? I only tally 19 of the possible 24.
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Willie Mays
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Thanks-just realized I had it, didn't update my list. The one card I still want to find evidence of, even though it's not in a baseball set per se is a 1955 Topps Hocus Focus #97. It remains the sole card in the 126 count set I have no info for. Last edited by toppcat; 09-01-2023 at 09:32 AM. |
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As many of you may know, in the 1955 Topps Hocus Focus Set (small) had sort of a different dynamic. They had #11, #17, and #19 listed as "unknown".
As a Cardinals collector I was just hoping one of those were not a Cardinals player if ever found. Unfortunately, a few years after this thread started it was discovered that #19 was Wally Moon, a Cardinal. I was like, "well, that means one of those will never be in my collection", even though I already had the Harvey Haddix. Then, I got lucky. I am pretty sure, Al sent me a lead on one that was found. I ended up getting it for a very good price. As far as I know, there are 3 in existence....mine, Al's, and BMW Sportscards (PSA 5 or 6). It is definitely an unreplaceable card and I'm glad to have it. |
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question about two other "missing" cards
Anyone ever seen--
1950 Royal Dessert card 14C Ray Scarborough on the Chicago White Sox--card ending in "after the close of the season?" or 1950 R423s card 100? currently unknown. |
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=2345055
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