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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Joe
Just finished reading “The Card.” Took me a few hours to read…couldn’t put it down. There have been some fine books written about the sports collectibles industry, namely Pete Williams’s “Card Sharks” and the incredibly under-appreciated “Operation Bullpen” by Kevin Nelson. But Michael O’Keeffe And Teri Thompson’s book has the potential to do to baseball cards what “Game of Shadows” has done to the steroids “hobby.” The reason for this is twofold, first: noted and respected authors as well as major league publisher, and secondly, like Barry Bonds in “Shadows,” we have a real-life villain in “The Card” in William Mastro. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: leon
There are so many inaccuracies in it I am not sure we can tell anything....Sort of like saying many things outragously incorrect and then saying ....but everything is true, really......The author got his point across but so much of the info was wrong it is pointless...My wife thought it was a good read, as she is an English major (the writing was so so to her, like a newspaper guy wrote it) but she was unknowing of all of the things that were blatantly inaccurate and enjoyed it. It should do well with people that are ignorant of the hobby.....regards |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: ScottIngold
What i don't understand is. Why all the questionable activity by one of the hobby's biggest players ? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Dave G
So what were the major inaccuracies? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Joe
Here are a few, from a previous post by MARK. I suspect there will be dozens more as everyone reads the book. But again, remember, Upton Sinclair was not an expert on meatpacking: |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: leon
Joe has hit on some of them. In all honesty I am only half finished with the book. Also, no doubt, there is some truth in there....but so far nothing I haven't heard before. Through all of it, if I had to make an educated guess from everything I have seen and heard....I would say the card was cut from a sheet and then cut again after that.....That's my opinion at this time. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The fact that the authors mistakenly thought that Matty was contained in the T204 set is not exactly the sort of mistake that would cause me to question allegations of fraud by Bill Mastro -- though can you imagine how cool that Matty card would look? I'd love to hear Mastro's response to the allegations. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I've not received my book yet... |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'll say it for the millionth time I guess....why would anyone believe a word of O'Keeffe after he blatently misrepresented what was said in Net54 about the two guys with the fake Wagner? Gosh! Don't you guys remember how most of us thought race played a role in that fiasco???? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Steve Murray
I agree wholeheartedly with Dan on this one. (Not to imply that I have ever disagreed with him on anything else ) |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: RIch Klein
And does not want to keep it; I'll be happy to pay whatever you think is fair plus a shipping cost. It would be another nice addition for my hobby library collection. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: leon
I definitely would NOT BUY this book....I got it for free from a board member and it's an unedited copy...I don't think any of the info changed but they had some poor grammar and misspelled words....I haven't mentioned those things on purpose as it is unedited. Once I am finished I will ask the person who sent it to me if he wants it back..and if not I will send it to another board member.....Once I saw all of the mistakes I quit reading it but I really should finish it. BTW, I am not taking up for anyone either....I definitely think there is a lot that is known that is still not being told.....by the insiders..... |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Scott Elkins
Joe, I was "caught" by your statement of the restored cards Ron Oser sold years ago. I always loved the old Ron Oser auctions before he joined Mastro and have several of the old catalogs. It sounds like you are saying that Mastro was able to get a lot of these restored cards sold by Oser years ago into graded holders as unaltered and to keep Oser from saying anything about it, he is now VP at Mastro Inc. Anyway, just wondering if you had any specific examples of these restored cards? I was wondering b/c I have a bunch of old Ron Oser Enterprises catalogs and would love to compare images of the restored cards to some in holders being auctioned now. This would be rather easily done - to catch these restored cards in holders showing them as unaltered now. On my website, I have been able to post a few pics of before and after pics of cards sold by some auction houses and would love to be able to find some more. It is amazing how many of these are out there. However, I am certain some people simply don't want to know. However, this does need to be exposed, as it is nothing more than outright fraud! Thanks in advance Joe for any answers! |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Jay
If you are around this hobby long enough you will hear horror stories about all of the major players, even those who are now being canonized. My feeling is that you can only judge from experience, not from one guy trying to denegrate another. My experience with Bill Mastro has only been positive. I consider him to be a good guy, someone who has helped build the hobby to where it is today, and, most importantly to me,a friend. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
I kinda look at auction houses like the Chinese Buffet around the corner.....if you could see what goes on in the back room, you'd probably get sick. On the surface though it's pretty good and I always go back for seconds........ |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
I only work out of one room...does that give me a free pass? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Come on, how are you going to make back room deals if you only have one room. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Cobby33
Thanks for spoiling, in advance, my Chinese dinner. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: leon
The back room deals are in the back of the one room.... |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Can you imagine Kramer being pulled into the back of Barry's room...he'd be yelling and complaining that he couldn't make the deal because it wasn't really the back room... |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Cat
I thought all of Barry's back room deals were done by phone? edited to add: |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Cat- you're not Sparky, are you? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Cat
Barry, I wish I would have watched more Seinfeld, but I have probably seen about six episodes. Unfortunately, I am lost with the Sparky reference. Hopefully my attempt at humor was interpretted the correct way.... a reference to your phone auctions. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Steve Murray
Other than the nice e90-1 Jackson what else might be of interest? If you tell I can spend the weekend planning my strategy. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Hi Cat- that Sparky cretin posts anonymously and criticizes me for being old fashioned because I still conduct telephone auctions. So when you mentioned the phone in your post, that was the reference. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Is it proper etiquette to discuss my auction on somebody else's thread? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Steve Murray
when asked. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Then I will be brief, and if Leon feels it is inappropriate, he has my permission to promptly delete it: |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Barry, looks like real good stuff... |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Joe
Scott: |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: leon
The book portrays the whole hobby in a bad light. I am not defending Bill Mastro, or Rob Lifson, for that matter. The book sheds no new light on anything, is sensationalism at its worst, and is a piece of crap in my opinion. I hope O'keefe doesn't sell any of them.... The publisher should look to acquire the National Enquirer (supermarket tabloid published by American Media Inc) as there is more truth in it than this work O'keefe has put together...and "work" is a stretch in it's own right. I WOULD NEVER WASTE ONE PENNY on this piece of crap....I will get through with my FREE unedited copy and pass it along to the next person that doesn't want to waste their money on tabloid trash......All he does is embellish rumors like many of the people he used in getting his misinformation.....I love this board.....warm regards |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Its |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, when will you have a preview up? I am dying for an auction, seriously. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
June 6 or 7. I suppose I could get it up sooner. Do you think that's a good idea? (not today, I mean a few days earlier than I planned). |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I always feel the earlier the better as it will ensure that the maximum amount of people will be exposed to the items prior to the auction. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Leon, Barry, |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- where did I say I hate the book? I haven't even seen it or read it yet. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Once again, it must have been in the penumbras of your prior posts. It's (not its) deja vu all over again, Peter C. Why do you insist on misquoting Barry? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
Your right, Barry, Peter S., man...I read through these threads way too quickly at times. Thanks for correcting me. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- you're an attorney. I expect you to read your legal documents more carefully than that! |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
For the hundreth time, by the way, "Your right" is not correct usage. It's "You're right." Sheesh. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Geez, I wonder how many lurkers are afraid to post because they might get slammed for poor grammar? |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Cat
Leon: |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: peter chao
I'm starting to believe I can say almost anything I want on this Board but I better not make a grammatical error. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
Doesn't everybody take pride in constructing grammatically correct sentences? Okay, I admit I can be a pain in the butt, but it's my training. I taught English composition at college, and old habits die hard. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Zinn
I doubt if there are many, if any. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Your right. Its an outrage. Good grammer is definately desireable. |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: barrysloate
How about "has" and "hs?" |
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My two-cents on "The Card"...boy did I enjoy it
Posted By: Zinn
Smarty pants |
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