Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One of YOUR links was to CBS News no? A couple of others to major publications. How are you defining MSM?

I am unsure what is aired on your T.V. news down there but ours up here has never, until recently, talked about any of the things we are currently talking about.
Sure, there are articles that exist here and there, (and most just recently), if one searches for them but most people don't anymore, they rely on the evening news only.

We have a 24/7 news site and their agenda for the past long while has been promoting vaccines and where to get them.
Rarely, until recently, have they started talking about any of these side affects and deaths.
From the beginning, it was get vaccinated, get vaccinated as soon as you can with any type/kind as having one is certainly better than not having any!!!
Fear mongering/panic inducing at its best making people believe if they don't get one they are going to die!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

I am unsure what is aired on your T.V. news down there but ours up here has never, until recently, talked about any of the things we are currently talking about.
Sure, there are articles that exist here and there, (and most just recently), if one searches for them but most people don't anymore, they rely on the evening news only.

We have a 24/7 news site and their agenda for the past long while has been promoting vaccines and where to get them.
Rarely, until recently, have they started talking about any of these side affects and deaths.
From the beginning, it was get vaccinated, get vaccinated as soon as you can with any type/kind as having one is certainly better than not having any!!!
Fear mongering/panic inducing at its best making people believe if they don't get one they are going to die!

I haven't seen your news so I can't comment on it but as a general proposition yes news should be balanced.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Pretty sure it was you that mentioned that the covid survival rate was over 97% as a way of saying we don't all need the vaccine. If not you, someone did.
Let's assume the number of people who have died after getting the vaccine actually died from the vaccine. Could you please present the survival rate for people getting the vaccine? Just wondering how they compare.

Thanks, Ken

27,035,524
Cases which had an outcome:
26,439,712 (98%)
Recovered / Discharged

595,812 (2%)
Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just as a side note, and sorry if it pisses people off, it's unfortunate there isn't the same political will to take on smoking as there is to take on the coronavirus.

"Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure."

Source is CDC.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just as a side note, and sorry if it pisses people off, it's unfortunate there isn't the same political will to take on smoking as there is to take on the coronavirus.

"Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure."

Source is CDC.

I'll drink to that. But can you ban cigarette's? Basically that'd be the only way to get that done, which I'm for, but it would be like weed, you'd open a new market of black market cigarettes, basically doing a weed for smokes flip flop.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I'll drink to that. But can you ban cigarette's? Basically that'd be the only way to get that done, which I'm for, but it would be like weed, you'd open a new market of black market cigarettes, basically doing a weed for smokes flip flop.

Complicated subject. A few random thoughts.

One, it just bothers me to see all these politicians urging people to do all this stuff to mitigate the impact of the virus (most of which I agree with by the way) while being terrified of and in many cases supported by the tobacco lobby and not ever speaking up about the dangers of smoking. Maybe it's apples to oranges but something doesn't sit well.

Two, there are things we could do short of banning cigarettes, I think. Better education about the dangers (I mean, you don't hear a word about it ever any more, but you hear 24 7 about the coronavirus). Better measures to protect children against second hand smoke in the home. More help to people trying to quit.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Complicated subject. A few random thoughts.

One, it just bothers me to see all these politicians urging people to do all this stuff to mitigate the impact of the virus (most of which I agree with by the way) while being terrified of and in many cases supported by the tobacco lobby and not ever speaking up about the dangers of smoking. Maybe it's apples to oranges but something doesn't sit well.

Two, there are things we could do short of banning cigarettes, I think. Better education about the dangers (I mean, you don't hear a word about it ever any more, but you hear 24 7 about the coronavirus). Better measures to protect children against second hand smoke in the home. More help to people trying to quit.

In a way you are bascially asking to cure stupid. And no team of scientists is preventing that.

As far as smoking goes, they've raised the prices so high that if you want to smoke you're basically gonna go broke, or pay an arm. They raised the age to buy them to 18, so it's not like you are selling to "kids". I know middle schools and high schools have signs up regarding smoking and vaping and the harms of it. You got commercials with goons with no jaws and pulling their teeth out. You basically are being told this WILL happen to you, you will get lung cancer, you will get emphazima (sp), you will die!

If after all that, people still want to smoke, go back to my first sentence or 2.

[Casey2296]

I'm getting my 2nd Moderna shot Friday. Why? Because I care. Even though I'm healthy and have a great immune system and probably don't need it, but I care about the old and infirm, I care about my tribe, my community and my country. I'd never forgive myself if I gave it to someone and they died.

This is my first pandemic so I'll err on the side of caution and go slowly with my reintroduction to normalcy. I've known 3 people who died of Covid and had a colleague lose 7 nurses who died in the shitshow that was NYC. So if I need to do my part to get us to herd immunity so folks will stop dying, sign me up.

Besides, in my wayward youth I've ingested random drugs off a dirty barroom floor with some bar slut and went home with her to have unprotected sex, not knowing who manufactured the drugs or the bar sluts name. Just sayin'...

I think I'll be okay with a little Covid shot.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Dale I don't get your end game regarding the vaccine. Do you want no one to get it? or you are saying it's pointless.......or it's more harmful then Covid?

I have not gotten it, but may, may not.......just waiting to see how more of this plays out.

I know you are a Trumper, no problem there, and he was the one, his regime anyhow, who got the vaccine done so quickly. But I think it wasn't done recklessly to just have a vaccine. I think it was an "all hands on deck" let's figure this out working 24/7. Whereas when people say a vaccine normally takes years, that may be true, but that's because not nearly the amount of resources were put in to get this one done so quickly.

So yah you are gonna break a few eggs as we have seen, but you could get that with anything.

But back to one of my points, Trump got this done. He gets the credit not Biden in my eyes. Joe got a vaccine, basically 5-run lead going to the 9th and he just had to close out the game. So he's done that. He gets his credit as well, and to be honest it's neither of the Presidents getting this done, it's the scientists and these big companies.

So like Frank Costanza I lost my train of thought.......carry on.

I'm just trying to help people make a more educated decision, that is all.

Just this weekend my wife visited her sister at her lakeside home. She received the shot a week or 2 ago and based on what she told my wife, she thought she was fully protected/immune from ever getting covid.
She rarely, if ever watches the news or reads newspapers and the biggest reason she moved to where she is, is to get away from it all.
I have no idea what made her or who told her to get the shot, but, just as one example, here is someone who obviously didn't look into things further before getting it.
My wife said the look on her face was shear shock when she told her that she would likely need a booster in another 6 months as that is what they are saying, that these vaccines are only good for 6 months or so.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfiz...12-months.html

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Complicated subject. A few random thoughts.

One, it just bothers me to see all these politicians urging people to do all this stuff to mitigate the impact of the virus (most of which I agree with by the way) while being terrified of and in many cases supported by the tobacco lobby and not ever speaking up about the dangers of smoking. Maybe it's apples to oranges but something doesn't sit well.

Two, there are things we could do short of banning cigarettes, I think. Better education about the dangers (I mean, you don't hear a word about it ever any more, but you hear 24 7 about the coronavirus). Better measures to protect children against second hand smoke in the home. More help to people trying to quit.

It's all about the money, Peter, and nothing else. If they seriously wanted to ban smoking they would, but you can bet your you no what that they'd tax something else to make up the shortfall.

Like I said before, many are also getting filthy rich off this covid vaccine rollout, but that is another story altogether.

Anyone notice the graph in the link above I posted above how the case numbers, pre election, went through the roof but right after, when they lowered the PCR testing threshold number and began testing far less people, that the covid case numbers plummeted? Anyone notice that right after the election that CNN quit showing the covid case numbers and deaths in their ticker tape?
Things that make you go Hmm.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

27,035,524
Cases which had an outcome:
26,439,712 (98%)
Recovered / Discharged

595,812 (2%)
Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Thanks, now how about the number of deaths after getting the vaccine? Think it approaches 2%? That was my question for you.

[Shoeless Moe]

Dale I don't get your end game regarding the vaccine. Do you want no one to get it? or you are saying it's pointless.......or it's more harmful then Covid?

I have not gotten it, but may, may not.......just waiting to see how more of this plays out.

I know you are a Trumper, no problem there, and he was the one, his regime anyhow, who got the vaccine done so quickly. But I think it wasn't done recklessly to just have a vaccine. I think it was an "all hands on deck" let's figure this out working 24/7. Whereas when people say a vaccine normally takes years, that may be true, but that's because not nearly the amount of resources were put in to get this one done so quickly.

So yah you are gonna break a few eggs as we have seen, but you could get that with anything.

But back to one of my points, Trump got this done. He gets the credit not Biden in my eyes. Joe got a vaccine, basically 5-run lead going to the 9th and he just had to close out the game. So he's done that. He gets his credit as well, and to be honest it's neither of the Presidents getting this done, it's the scientists and these big companies.

So like Frank Costanza I lost my train of thought.......carry on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Dale I don't get your end game regarding the vaccine. Do you want no one to get it? or you are saying it's pointless.......or it's more harmful then Covid?

I have not gotten it, but may, may not.......just waiting to see how more of this plays out.

I know you are a Trumper, no problem there, and he was the one, his regime anyhow, who got the vaccine done so quickly. But I think it wasn't done recklessly to just have a vaccine. I think it was an "all hands on deck" let's figure this out working 24/7. Whereas when people say a vaccine normally takes years, that may be true, but that's because not nearly the amount of resources were put in to get this one done so quickly.

So yah you are gonna break a few eggs as we have seen, but you could get that with anything.

But back to one of my points, Trump got this done. He gets the credit not Biden in my eyes. Joe got a vaccine, basically 5-run lead going to the 9th and he just had to close out the game. So he's done that. He gets his credit as well, and to be honest it's neither of the Presidents getting this done, it's the scientists and these big companies.

So like Frank Costanza I lost my train of thought.......carry on.

Trump, to be fair though, undercut his very strong push for a vaccine for which I give him credit by his inconsistent messaging about the virus and its impact, masks, and so forth.