BGS "Black Label" 50K Tiger rookie card up for auction altered according to Blowout

[Peter_Spaeth]

The following card is up for auction at Mile High. A BGS 10 Black Label 1996 SI for Kids Tiger Woods RC. Currently at 50K plus.

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

But.

The card previously was outed as trimmed and "reperforated" in 2019.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=127

More here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=411

And more at the end of this current thread starting at around page 15.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...314067&page=18

I have two of these cards and they look very different, they just don't in my experience look like this when separated from the sheets. Also note the slant along the right edge which I don't think is a scan artifact. In my opinion, Beckett may have made a mistake.

Note: I sent this information by email to MHCC two days ago but did not receive a response. I hope they will evaluate the information and, if they concur there is an issue, take appropriate action.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The card in question. And my PSA 8.

[cammb]

The card is not at all perfect. Half of the left side has blunt perfs.

[Johnny630]

Peter you are correct those white pieces of paper should be bent in or down if the card was folded or cut off the sheet.

To me This card in a 10 holder Screams “Worked On”

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter you are correct those white pieces of paper should be bent in or down if the card was folded or cut off the sheet.

To me This card in a 10 holder Screams “Worked On”

Nobody will grade them if cut. They have to be folded and separated.

[doug.goodman]

These threads always make me laugh and smile.

My sincere thanks to the opinion sellers for causing me pleasure.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The following card is up for auction at Mile High. A BGS 10 Black Label 1996 SI for Kids Tiger Woods RC. Currently at 50K plus.

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

But.

The card previously was outed as trimmed and "reperforated" in 2019.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=127

More here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=411

And more at the end of this current thread starting at around page 15.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...314067&page=18

I have two of these cards and they look very different, they just don't in my experience look like this when separated from the sheets. Also note the slant along the right edge which I don't think is a scan artifact. In my opinion, Beckett may have made a mistake.

Note: I sent this information by email to MHCC two days ago but did not receive a response. I hope they will evaluate the information and, if they concur there is an issue, take appropriate action.

It’s Seems the Majority Could Care Less Once It’s in A Holder. We Have Reached A Point in this Hobby Where the Card Has Little Significance, it’s all about the Holder/Grade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

John, as I've said for years, the flip is now the commodity. Hard to comprehend for someone who was mentored by a generation of dealers and collectors for whom originality was sacred.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

John, as I've said for years, the flip is now the commodity. Hard to comprehend for someone who was mentored by a generation of dealers and collectors for whom originality was sacred.

Totally Agree.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

John, as I've said for years, the flip is now the commodity. Hard to comprehend for someone who was mentored by a generation of dealers and collectors for whom originality was sacred.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Totally Agree.

+1

Those are the prettiest perforations I've ever seen. No way was that folded out of a sheet of magazine cards.

[drcy]

I don't really understand how the perforations are part of the card's grade, beyond that they have to be full and all there. "Perfect, sharp edges" to the perforation nubs seem silly and irrelevant to me.

[perezfan]

Just further proof that this hobby has officially jumped the shark.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Just further proof that this hobby has officially jumped the shark.

The same people who had to google Mark Fidrych when I referenced him in a comment regarding the Tatis Jr. signing, will be running to google for jumping sharks...

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Just further proof that this hobby has officially jumped the shark.

Except the only people
Bitching are the same 4/5 people on Net54. Fonzi is still at Arnold’s as far as the hobby is concerned. Would have probably said a$$holes but I actually like Peter.

[frankbmd]

Call me crazy, but I’m going to start a grading company. The slab will contain the graded card, but you will not be able to see it, as it will be contained within an opaque black envelope. The flip will be clearly visible with all the usual identification of the card and the grade.

1. Once in the envelope and in the slab, no one will be able to quibble about the accuracy of the grade.

2. The Blowout Boys will not be able to assess alterations performed on the card.

3. PWCC will be able to offer a third layer anonymity to the nuances of the card by keeping it in their vault.

4. Scan doctors who enhance the appearance of the card for resale will no longer be needed, as all cards will be seen as a black rectangle.

5. Third party grading companies can generate flips faster than they can actually look at their back log of ungraded items, thus reducing the wait times for submissions to be graded.

6. Auction houses can continue to embellish their description of lots for sale. They will also be able to save on the printing of catalogs or eliminate them, requiring bidders to simply view their embellished descriptions online.

7. I think that I can price this service competitively to compete with existing TPGs.

What’s not to love.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Except the only people
Bitching are the same 4/5 people on Net54. Fonzi is still at Arnold’s as far as the hobby is concerned. Would have probably said a$$holes but I actually like Peter.

Glyn do you read your posts?

If you look back for years you make 3 types of posts the majority of times.
1) sticking up for altered cards
2) sticking up for slimy sellers
3) calling people names that dislike the con artists in the hobby.

You seem like an outstanding individual and I am sure many have a name for you also.

[Peter_Spaeth]

59K pre vig, 12 days to go. Surely we can break 100K for this flip.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

the flip is now the commodity.

In other breaking news, the sky is blue (well, brown in Los Angeles).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by exhibitman

in other breaking news, the sky is blue (well, brown in los angeles).

lol.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Glyn do you read your posts?

If you look back for years you make 3 types of posts the majority of times.
1) sticking up for altered cards
2) sticking up for slimy sellers
3) calling people names that dislike the con artists in the hobby.

You seem like an outstanding individual and I am sure many have a name for you also.

Very true...

But some of us choose not to “name call” or be rude to individuals belonging to a public forum in which opinions of both sides are welcomed. I understand he probably makes a good chunk of money flipping, re-submitting and selling slabs. But that doesn’t mean that such obvious fraud and corruption shouldn’t be called out.

Flip away, continue to defend these butchered cards and pop joyously!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

59K pre vig, 12 days to go. Surely we can break 100K for this flip.

Surely we can Peter. This card down the road will be pumped up in golden and or PWCC 2 to 3 times what it has sold for in Mile High.

Pump and Repeat Buyers/Investors Clubs

[cammb]

Originally Posted by drcy

I don't really understand how the perforations are part of the card's grade, beyond that they have to be full and all there. "Perfect, sharp edges" to the perforation nubs seem silly and irrelevant to me.

They are part of the card's grade because they ARE part of the card. bIf you are going to grade a perorated card then perorated edges have to taken into account. Look at the left side of that card and tell me you are alright with those perfs.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by cammb

They are part of the card's grade because they ARE part of the card. bIf you are going to grade a perorated card then perorated edges have to taken into account. Look at the left side of that card and tell me you are alright with those perfs.

Forget the perfs, look at the sides tapering inwards on the bottom left and right. Card is a mess.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Glyn do you read your posts?

If you look back for years you make 3 types of posts the majority of times.
1) sticking up for altered cards
2) sticking up for slimy sellers
3) calling people names that dislike the con artists in the hobby.

You seem like an outstanding individual and I am sure many have a name for you also.

+1. I’m glad someone said it

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Forget the perfs, look at the sides tapering inwards on the bottom left and right. Card is a mess.

The doctor couldn't even run the reperforating tool straight.

Still time for Brian to do the right thing (IMO).

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Still time for Brian to do the right thing (IMO).

At least put a disclaimer in the description and notify all current bidders of the proof of alteration. I don't see MH taking the lot down though.

[Seven]

Consistently impressed by the detective work Blowout is able to do. We now have buyers no longer caring about the card and just what the grade says.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

At least put a disclaimer in the description and notify all current bidders of the proof of alteration. I don't see MH taking the lot down though.

That just perpetuates the problem as the next guy lists it. I think if he does something he needs to take it down, period.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That just perpetuates the problem as the next guy lists it. I think if he does something he needs to take it down, period.

Agreed. I did say, though, that I don't think he will do that so I figured at least stating it in the auction is needed. If he just takes it down then the consignor can still sell it somewhere else where it isn't mentioned and the cycle continues. Destroying the card is the only way to stop the problem.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The auction now shows no bids with a 40K minimum. Before there were many bids and it was over 50K. Not seeing any addendum to the description.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's shut down. Good job by Blowout as always. And Brian.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's shut down. Good job by Blowout as always. And Brian.

I stand corrected, and gladly so in this case. Good job to Brian for taking it down.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's shut down.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Why do they award numerical grades to these types of cards?

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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Why do they award numerical grades to these types of cards?

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To turn a bit of cardboard into $50,000.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Why do they award numerical grades to these types of cards?

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Same reason they award numbers to anything.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Same reason they award numbers to anything.

I have never understood how you could give a # to strip cards or anything that had to be cut/torn out.

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[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I have never understood how you could give a # to strip cards or anything that had to be cut/torn out.

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Because when you sell opinions for a living, you don't really care what your opinion is about, as long as you're getting paid.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's shut down. Good job by Blowout as always. And Brian.

Kudos to Brian. And, as always, great work BODA

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Kudos to Brian. And, as always, great work BODA

Some tough situations for auction houses in this poor TPG environment.

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

yup. I have had about a dozen killer cards (according to the slabs) that I returned to consignors. The worst was the 1953 Bowman Color Mantle in 6 that was featured in a print ad before I noticed the problem. I'm sure some others have snuck through. And I don't care what spell check says, snuck is a word.

[drcy]

snuck is a word

[vansaad]

*snucked