Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Clean Sweep has this 46 pennant currently up for auction along with a very nice 44 Tiger pennant. I own the orange version of the 46 pennant and other than the one I have I have never seen these come up for auction.

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/l...g_type=auction

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

Another auction outted!

[ser1979]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag Mark, and no I'm not the consigner. I'm happy with the orange version of that 46 pennant I have.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag Mark, and no I'm not the consigner. I'm happy with the orange version of that 46 pennant I have.

That’s a beeeeauty! Tough to improve on that!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Clean Sweep has this 46 pennant currently up for auction along with a very nice 44 Tiger pennant. I own the orange version of the 46 pennant and other than the one I have I have never seen these come up for auction.

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/l...g_type=auction

Just want to say that these are probably the ugliest pennants ever produced, to even bid on such hideous monstrosities would be a sign of a serious character flaw. Hey, I don’t write the rules ….

[ser1979]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Just want to say that these are probably the ugliest pennants ever produced, to even bid on such hideous monstrosities would be a sign of a serious character flaw. Hey, I don’t write the rules ….

Very true Greg, this is why mine is packed away and doesn't see the light of day. It really brings down the value of my other Tiger pennants, lol.

[thetahat]

New and Improved Brooklyn Dodgers Pennant

Now with 50% More Tassel!

[661fish]

Anybody seen glitter on the graphic any of the Trench AS game pennants?

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

New and Improved Brooklyn Dodgers Pennant

Now with 50% More Tassel!

That is so cool Greg. I guess one can never have too many tassels.

Rick

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

New and Improved Brooklyn Dodgers Pennant

Now with 50% More Tassel!

Here's a new pickup with 50% LESS tassel.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by rlevy

That is so cool Greg. I guess one can never have too many tassels.

Rick

I think eight would be too many. LOL!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Here's a new pickup with 50% LESS tassel.

This works, though. If you have to have a pair of missing tassels, way better that they be missing bottoms. Still displays nice. But if only tops are missing, no bueno.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by 661fish

Anybody seen glitter on the graphic any of the Trench AS game pennants?

Sean, is there any glitter on the red felt or only on the graphic?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

This works, though. If you have to have a pair of missing tassels, way better that they be missing bottoms. Still displays nice. But if only tops are missing, no bueno.

I don’t know how nice it displays. I’ll probably fold the tassels around the back. Good color, though.

I have six of these NY “stadium pennants” now. Two like my latest; two with cursive “N.Y. Giants” and two with “New York” inside a capital G.

[661fish]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Sean, is there any glitter on the red felt or only on the graphic?

Only on the graphic.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Sean, is there any glitter on the red felt or only on the graphic?

Maybe the screen printer guy was at a strip club the night before?

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Maybe the screen printer guy was at a strip club the night before?

I think this is the only possible explanation. 😂

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by MK

I think this is the only possible explanation. 😂

Stripper glitter is always a dead giveaway!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Maybe the screen printer guy was at a strip club the night before?

Speaking from experience?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Speaking from experience?

Experience is the best teacher!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

This works, though. If you have to have a pair of missing tassels, way better that they be missing bottoms. Still displays nice. But if only tops are missing, no bueno.

Well since the pennant conversation has devolved this far, I think Greg may have had something similar on his mind when he wrote the part in bold.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well since the pennant conversation has devolved this far, I think Greg may have had something similar on his mind when he wrote the part in bold.

Yes there are most definitely two types of tassels!

[thetahat]

And now on this the eighth day of June in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-three … the WGN series is complete. Thanks to the incredibly clutch board member who secured this for me.

[thetahat]

POSTSCRIPT

I am reminded that this is merely one of each team, that there are others in this “set” that I don’t have like this one below, and I should probably get a new hobby …

[bocca001]

That's a nice looking wall! I was watching the Reds that sold last week (close to $500, if I recall correctly). It did very well. Still wonder what the bomber logo is all about with respect to connecting to the Reds.

[661fish]

Amazing display Greg. Not only that Browns but, the misspelled Yankies and Athletics you would need to complete the master set.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Here's another neat pennant photo dated 1949. Some toughies in here

I was the lucky winner of this photo. Really like it

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by 661fish

Amazing display Greg. Not only that Browns but, the misspelled Yankies and Athletics you would need to complete the master set.

Thanks! I can’t bring myself to buy the misspelled pennant but some of the others are cool.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

That's a nice looking wall! I was watching the Reds that sold last week (close to $500, if I recall correctly). It did very well. Still wonder what the bomber logo is all about with respect to connecting to the Reds.

Yes that’s a mystery that may never be solved. Was happy to see that it sold for a high amount.

[UKCardGuy]

A couple of new arrivals today.

I don't normally go for mini pennants but Mantle Holiday Inn is an exception.

I thought the Buffalo pennant was a good one to learn about the feel and texture of early pennants. Though if one of you were to tell me it was a Buffalo Federal League pennant, I wouldn't be upset (...I know it's not).

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

A couple of new arrivals today.

I don't normally go for mini pennants but Mantle Holiday Inn is an exception.

I thought the Buffalo pennant was a good one to learn about the feel and texture of early pennants. Though if one of you were to tell me it was a Buffalo Federal League pennant, I wouldn't be upset (...I know it's not).

Nice ones … the Mantle is in great shape …

[bocca001]

I feel like most vintage all star pennants are really cool. But, for some reason, the one from Candlestick (1961) just seems ho hum. Is it just me? Are there others from this era that are as boring?

[UKCardGuy]

Nice pennant. I'm a big fan of the ASG and World Series pennants.

The simplicity of the blue against the white background (like the 76 ASG Pennants - this one isn't mine) is pleasing.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^ needs bleach.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I feel like most vintage all star pennants are really cool. But, for some reason, the one from Candlestick (1961) just seems ho hum. Is it just me? Are there others from this era that are as boring?

Marc I think that’s a reflection of the manufacturer. The Trench ASG pennants are at the head of the class, especially those that combine the roster scroll with the stadium graphic which I think ran from 1958 to 1963. They have these for most, but not all, games in that era, with the exceptions occurring when it seems that the ballpark or host team uses other local companies. Domer would have a better idea of the process. That 1961 pennant was - I believe - made by what I call the NYC mystery company, same one that made the 1958 Dodgers/Giants opening day pennant and the ones in the often posted banquet picture. Perhaps the Giants continued a relationship after the move. Below is a 1960 from Yankee stadium - same company - and a 1961 Keezer, which also makes sense since it was at Fenway. (I think Trench also did a Fenway but a plainer version.) Mystery company did the 1964 game at Shea and that’s actually pretty cool looking, I don’t have it, maybe someone else can post theirs (Mark?).

Ad Flag also did a bunch, personally not a fan but I know other collectors like them.

WGN has nice ones for the years when the game was local: 1947 (Wrigley), 1950 (Comiskey), and 1951 (Detroit).

[thetahat]

Here’s a great pic of the ‘64 from a Lelands auction, looks like same company as your ‘61 and my ‘60.

Also I am reminded that Trench did 1954 stadium versions (Cleveland) with a scroll of just the starters. Those are really sharp.

[murphusa]

Cleaning out some old bins of auction catalogs and I came across this from 11/1999
Maestro Auction
680-$11,205
681-$12,787
682-$7939
683-$5954
684-$4804
685-$4686
686-$6392
687-$3202
688-$4764
689-$1915

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by murphusa

Cleaning out some old bins of auction catalogs and I came across this from 11/1999
Maestro Auction
680-$11,205
681-$12,787
682-$7939
683-$5954
684-$4804
685-$4686
686-$6392
687-$3202
688-$4764
689-$1915

I still remember that auction vividly. Mastro called it "Mini find of Maxi Felt" or something to that effect. Someone had huge ceiling bids on all of them.... instant outbid notices happened, regardless of which pennant you bid on.

Although meaningless (given the limitless ceiling bids) I was the high underbidder on a few, including the Reds/Tinker pennant, which is still to this day the only oversized Reds Pennant I've ever seen. I wonder what these would sell for today?

[bocca001]

Greg- I like those all of those star pennants, even the Keezer, more than the SF. Wish there was a Trench version with Candlestick. Just feel that SF got left out on the all star game pennant.

Jim- thanks for posting the auction pics. 1999 was before my pennant collecting days. I had not seen those.

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

Do you think that they would sell for as much today? More? About the same? 12k and 11k seem pretty strong.

[ooo-ribay]

I figured Mark got them all.

[thetahat]

If made at the same time, those manager pennants would be from 1913, as that is the only year where Dahlen (Brooklyn) and Huggins (STL) overlap.

Amazing …

[murphusa]

Here is the headline

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

I’d also love to know the specifics of this “find” (warehouse? Granny’s attic?) and who consigned them.

[UKCardGuy]

Jim, those pennants from the 1999 auction are fantastic.

A similar John McGraw pennant was sold in 2016 for $6500. https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80517

Out of curiosity, did you save the sold prices all these years or are they available online somewhere?

Thanks.

[murphusa]

I saved available summary’s when they were available

Please don’t start sending me requests from older suction

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by murphusa

I saved available summary’s when they were available

Sir, I salute you. An man after my own heart.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Greg- I like those all of those star pennants, even the Keezer, more than the SF. Wish there was a Trench version with Candlestick. Just feel that SF got left out on the all star game pennant.

Jim- thanks for posting the auction pics. 1999 was before my pennant collecting days. I had not seen those.

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

Do you think that they would sell for as much today? More? About the same? 12k and 11k seem pretty strong.

Marc:
I have no way to know for sure, but it's a good bet that the majority of these went to a single collector. I would bet that all of the "Manager pennants" did, anyway.

The "Manager Pennants" all had ceiling bids that were well above the levels at which they resided late into the night. Most were sitting at/around $3K - $4K at around 10 PM Pacific time. The auction closing rules were different back then... there was no "lot by lot" closing. So at around 11 PM Pacific time/2 AM EDT, I started hitting them with bids. There was not a single instance where my bid was even temporarily in the lead.... the ceiling bids were well above my bids and seemed limitless.

I would assume the final prices realized would've been much higher if someone else was pushing them up late into the night. There were a couple I did not pursue... really didn't love the "SOX" pennant as much as the others, and never placed an initial bid on it. The others were just too spectacular. In retrospect, I wish I pursued it, as it may have been the only attainable one!

Since this auction, I've acquired other examples of the John McGraw pennant (identical to the one Gary posted), the White Sox Pennant with leaping Fielder (that is an image of Frank Chance, BTW) and the Cubs Swinging Bear Pennant. None of the Manager Pennants have resurfaced, and I'd bet they're all still residing in one place.

Regarding what they'd sell for now... it is anyone's guess. You'd think the prices would have appreciated in 24 years, but I'm not so sure. Those were big prices, and the recent oversized pennant find in REA did not exactly blow the doors off... very pedestrian prices IMHO. Granted, the Mastro find was a bit more spectacular, but look at the huge price disparities between Mastro's 1999 "Mini Find of Maxi Felt" and the last REA auction. Collectors are fickle and there is no "price catalog" to refer to with this one-of-a-kind "sole survivor" type stuff. So the prices realized are unpredictable, and seem to depend upon who's bidding at the time and a bunch of other intangibles.

[murphusa]

I agree Mark, but will say, it only takes two

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Marc:
I have no way to know for sure, but it's a good bet that the majority of these went to a single collector. I would bet that all of the "Manager pennants" did, anyway.

Somewhere a lurking whale is smiling...and remaining silent.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I still remember that auction vividly. Mastro called it "Mini find of Maxi Felt" or something to that effect. Someone had huge ceiling bids on all of them.... instant outbid notices happened, regardless of which pennant you bid on.

Although meaningless (given the limitless ceiling bids) I was the high underbidder on a few, including the Reds/Tinker pennant, which is still to this day the only oversized Reds Pennant I've ever seen. I wonder what these would sell for today?

Mark, is this 1919 Reds normal size or smaller? This is from a Christie’s auction. Description says nothing about size.