Change of Pace: 1962 Green Tints (scan heavy)

[JollyElm]

It's late and I was uploading my complete 1962 Topps Green Tint run to my bucket, so I figured I'd post them here for the heck of it. I can't recall ever seeing the entire thing posted together in one place. Hopefully, some of my variation loving brethren will enjoy this spectacle.












I'm sure most of you already know this, but the beauty of the 'green tints' is the fact that each card's artwork is cropped differently than their regular counterpart. So, although the greenish (or dulled) hue is readily apparent in many/most of these cards, there remains a distinct disparity between the two versions of these cards apart from the color balance, making them true variations.

Notes:
1. Mack Jones (#186) is one of the toughest GT’s to recognize. His sky remains blue and the difference in cropping is so minimal, it’s almost imperceptible. If you look close enough, though, there does appear a slight greenish/yellowish aura around his hat that helps give it away.
2. Other than the 4 or 5 cards that have shockingly green backgrounds/fields, one of the easiest (funnest?) GT's to recognize instantly is the 'Greatest Sports Hero' card (#143). The girl's neon dress just jumps off the page at you!
3. Besides what's contained within the 'Babe Ruth Special' subset, there are only 2 GT HOFer's (Al Kaline and Ron Santo).
4. For my money, Gehrig And Ruth (#140) is the hardest GT to get at a decent price.
5. The Hal Reniff portrait version (#139) isn’t a true GT. It is really nothing more than a misnumbered card and it has neither the greenish hues nor any cropping differences when compared to its counterpart (#159). I certainly don’t believe it was printed at the same time as the other GT’s. However, it does remain a true and distinct variation, since it was later renumbered correctly to the aforementioned #159. Ergo, there is no GT numbered 159, as the ‘real’ Reniff GT shows him pitching (#139).
6. The checklist card (#192) is another curiosity. It, too, lacks the true indicators of a GT (hue or cropping), but remains a distinct variation as it differs from its common counterpart by having "Check List, 3" (comma) instead of "Check List 3" (no comma). I imagine (as was common with Topps checklists) it was printed at a different time than the GT cards.
7. A bit of stupidity that has always amused me. The 'Babe Hits 60' GT is often referred to as having the 'foul pole visible in the background.' Um, come on!! The pole they're referring to (behind The Babe to the far left in the scan) isn't the frickin' foul pole. It's part of the stadium structure and it's buried deep in the crowd, way out of play. Who in their right mind would ever call this a foul pole???????
8. There are two green Greens: Dallas (#111) and Pumpsie (#153).
9. I think I got everything correct here, but if I’m off on anything, LMK.
10. If anyone wants to know the secret to spotting the cropping differences between the two versions of a specific card, LMK.
11. Shameless plug: In looking at these scans, I noticed that many of these cards could use an upgrading, either based on general shape or the infamous Topps centering problems. If you have any of these guys in better shape than mine, I do have a whole bunch of GT doubles to trade (plus a ton of other stuff, too), so give me a shout.

[JollyElm]

I guess PSA has no clue what they're doing when it comes to green tints:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-1...item20dd1969c3

Look at the dirt in the home plate area around his feet. It's accurately 'dirt colored ' and thus the regular, non-GT version of card #139. Now look at my card (above). Green, green, green!! Man, did they get it wrong.

[ALR-bishop]

Great post Daren. I had a lot of fun putting this "set" together

I know a guy working on an article about why at least two versions exist for each Topps checklist from the 60s and early 70s, which would include your observation in note 6

[Rich Klein]

I always found the DIck Hall card hard to tell if a Green Tint or not

[Paul S]

Nice work Daren, I wouldn't have the patience. So many of the 62Ts have such different colors. I have the most trouble when there's a Cincy Red and a green ball field in the background. I'm guessing that the photographer was dealing with the sun and different film speed, although I am certainly no photographer. What's up with Wally Moon? I always assumed that the headshot was the green tint (both cards are #190)..

[stlcardsfan]

Now that is an impressive Unibrow!!!

Originally Posted by Paul S

Nice work Daren, I wouldn't have the patience. So many of the 62Ts have such different colors. I have the most trouble when there's a Cincy Red and a green ball field in the background. I'm guessing that the photographer was dealing with the sun and different film speed, although I am certainly no photographer. What's up with Wally Moon? I always assumed that the headshot was the green tint (both cards are #190)..

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I always found the DIck Hall card hard to tell if a Green Tint or not

hall.jpg

I refer to Dick Hall as 'ole shirty.' His GT is hazy, unfocused and the sky is very dark and not the light blue of his regular card. But to quickly spot his GT, look no further than his shirt front. If you can't see the entire top portion of his undershirt that runs across the opening in his jersey, then you're looking at his GT.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

Now that is an impressive Unibrow!!!

Yes, you could land a 767 on them. Being a Cards fan you know that he played for them before becoming a Dodger. Won the '54 ROY over Aaron and Banks

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Nice work Daren, I wouldn't have the patience. So many of the 62Ts have such different colors. I have the most trouble when there's a Cincy Red and a green ball field in the background. I'm guessing that the photographer was dealing with the sun and different film speed, although I am certainly no photographer. What's up with Wally Moon? I always assumed that the headshot was the green tint (both cards are #190)..

Moon is definitely an anomaly. Each of the player pose variation cards--Lee Walls (#129), Billy Hoeft (#134), Bill Kunkel (#147), Carl Willey (#174), Eddie Yost (#176) and Wally Moon (#190)--have distinct GT attributes such as a green sky or a hazy, blurred look, except for Moon and Willey. The shots on their cards are definitely not examples of crisp photography or anything, but they are in no way 'overly greened.' However, the overall darkness of the shots coupled with the unbalanced redness of some of the skintones allows them entry into the GT canon.

[Exhibitman]

Could someone post the Roger Craig GT and regular side by side?

[JollyElm]

craig.jpg

The Roger Craig GT is all about the sky. If it looks normal and blue in any sort of fashion, it's the regular version. The GT features a dark, murkfest in the heavens.

But Roger's tell is that little, whitish piece of his uniform that appears on the right side of the card above the decorative paper curl. If it is visible there, you have the GT.

[GoldenAge50s]

Can anyone tell me if this is a Green Tint or not? Are Green Tints worth more, and if so by about what %?

Thanks for any help on this one.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

Can anyone tell me if this is a Green Tint or not? Are Green Tints worth more, and if so by about what %?

Thanks for any help on this one.

That Babe is the regular version. 100% sure.
I've decided to do the definitive guide to green tints, showing the tells of each card, so keep an eye out for that. The photoshop work alone is going to be a nightmare, but ultimately it will be a very helpful tool for GT collectors.

[brightair]

Might be helpful to check out this OBC article.
Go to www.oldbaseball.com
Click on directory and scroll down to find
•1962 GREEN TINT VARIATIONS, by Tom Housley

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

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The Roger Craig GT is all about the sky. If it looks normal and blue in any sort of fashion, it's the regular version. The GT features a dark, murkfest in the heavens.

But Roger's tell is that little, whitish piece of his uniform that appears on the right side of the card above the decorative paper curl. If it is visible there, you have the GT.

Thanks. Mine is a GT. Yay! Can I retire on the sales proceeds?

[ALR-bishop]

Daren---do you know why your scans keep dropping out ? I'm too slow

edited---never mind---just my ineptitude

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Daren---do you know why your scans keep dropping out ? I'm too slow

edited---never mind---just my ineptitude

Two r's , Al, two r's. "Darren."

[D.P.Johnson]

Great thread. Thank you Darren.