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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: TONY
Take about misinformation |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: jay behrens
back when I was more active in the 80s, I knew a person that said he could confirm the existance of 47 Wagners and that there were most likely more out there that he didn't know about. I think the Piedmont Wagner is a recent addition (after 1972). Even if 5 new Wagners were found in that time, it wouldn't seriously change the estimate of 50-60. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: DJ
The Wagner wouldn't be the Wagner if three-four "new" examples showed up in the hobby every single year. If new cards were discovered this frequently, the Wagner would most certainly lose it's magic and it's value wouldn't increase as it has over the years. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Martin Neal
I remember a few years ago, the state of West Virginia sold off the contents of some unclaimed safety deposit boxes. One of them had a pretty rough T206 Wagner. I can't swear to any thing much less this story. This could be just a rumor. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Part of the mystique of the card to me is how few are in such condition that the only serious defect is corner rounding. I am aware of perhaps ten in such condition. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Jason Duncan
I would assume there are alot more than 50. I know if I had one I would keep it under wraps until I was ready to sell. There more that surface, then the better chance the value could possibly drop. I am sure there are alot more than we know about. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: JimB
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Joe D.
and how many Orange Border Matty's are there? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: jay behrens
Jim, I was not a teenager at the time and the person that told this is one of the few people in this hobby whose reputation is pretty much beyond reproach. I have no doubt that at the time, he knew exactly where 47 different Wagners were. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: fkw
The Orange Border Matty is just one of thousands of cards that are Rarer than the T206 Wagner. It doesnt mean is has anywhere near the value. The T206 Wagner is the most sought after card from the most sought after set. And if you want the set you need a Wagner. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: barrysloate
The funny thing is, the T206 Wagner may be right at the top among the most plentiful of all vintage Wagner cards. Considering about 75 are known, how many other sets have that many survivors? Maybe E95, perhaps a couple of other E issues, but the majority of sets likely have even less available. How many Wagners have survived in E107, E103, E94, E90-2, etc.? It's the classic example of a reasonable supply but an insatiable demand. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Joe D.
A true credit to the hobby! Very cool to see a listing of cards scarcer than wagner. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
....are out there....and does anyone really care ? Chicago Transit Authority |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: RayB
Anybody have the Pop Reports from the 3 major grading houses on the Wagners? It would be interesting to note exactly how many of these are out there already graded. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: dennis
also remember in the late 70's a wagner was "only" worth maybe $1000-$5000 and how many people were into paying that much for a baseball card? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: leon
With all due respect even back in the 70's if there were 47 known I would venture to guess there were (and still are) several unknown..If by todays exact account there are 60 known then I don't think 15 more would be stretching it ?? The more I am in the hobby the more I see stuff I never thought I would see......best regards |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: sagard
It appears that PSA has graded 25 Wagners and has holdered a couple as "authentic", but those don't show up in the pop reports. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: ScottIngold
In the early 80's.. Like 82 through 85. My father and i used to go to a shop in Nyack N.Y. This was a small store above an antique store run by a gent who had to be in his 60's at the time. Since we were regulars and developed a relationship with him ( through my dad spending $ of course ). One day he brings out a Wagner and Cobb with Cobb back. Now that i think of it. Was the Cobb even considered a rarity than ?........ Ted ???? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: leon
Sounds like a good rule of thumb. I think our guesstimates are pretty close...but I only have about 10 yrs of an addiction to base my thinking on...Some of you guys have more experience than I am old (and I ain't young)..... |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Paul
Barry's last post raises a point I've always wondered about -- exactly how many Wagner's are there that AREN'T rarer than the T206? I'd assume that the Cracker Jack and M116 are more common than the T206. And the E95 and Colgans Chips as well. But the guy just doesn't have many cards, and most of them are rare. I have his M110 Sporting Life Cabinet, an E125 American Caramel, and a D381 Fleischman's. I assume all of these are rarer than the T206, though I have no illusions about their value. Others that have to be more rare than the T206 are the T5 Pinkerton, the T216s, E103, E107, W600, JuJu Drum, and Jones, Keyser cabinet. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Zach Rice
Here are a few more than are more to add to Paul's list: |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: jay behrens
I'd love to see who has the lastest type collection of Wagner cards. I'd be surprised if someone has more than half the available cards. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Paul
How would the group rate the E90-2 Wagner in scarcity compared to the T206? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: peter ullman
I do not believe the e90-2 wagner to be as few in # as the t206. but since I have one I wish it were! just my humble opinion. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Brett
I was trying to have pictures saved on the computer of every t206 wagner that is known. So far i have 17 or 18. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
I have not been collecting as long as some on this board, but there seem to be a lot of e90-2 wagners around. They seem to come in batches. There has been one in every other auction in the past year and I must have seen 4-5 of them at the national alone. I don't know if there are more than 60-70, but there seem to be more of the e90-2 than other caramels such as crofts, e94, e98, e101, e102, e103, e104, e105, e106. I have seen more e90-2s than e90-1s. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: peter ullman
another angle on the guesstimate is how many board members have e90-2 wagners? I'd guess 5-10...maybe more? How many board members have t206 wagners? I know Hal has one...anyone else? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: peter ullman
nice bruce...mine makes 2...I know leon has one...his trucker wagner! |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Joe D.
very nice wagner. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: leon
I know of at least 3 fairly private board members, besides Hal, that have very nice T206 Wagners. I am sure there are several more. Most of these collectors won't come on the board and say what they have though. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: peter ullman
understandable Leon...I can certainly respect one's privacy. So maybe I was wrong...there are only 3 e90-2 wagners currently accounted for so far! |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
PSA graded: 23 |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: peter ullman
thanks richard. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Steve Dawson
I have a GAI 2.5 E90-2 Wagner. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
OK, you "Grading Guru's" what does your "pop" reports tell us about |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Brett
I don't see how people can really go by population reports. Isn't there alot of people who get them graded, crack them out and re grade them again ? i guess that would mess it up a bit ? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Brett |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: James Gallo
Well the Batting pose is A LOT more common then the throwing. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
I read a blurb in a card mag stating that "collectors love the fact that Howie Kendrick only had 47 cards issued during his rookie season (2004)." One of each of these cards would cost you $923. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
Wagner issues from Brett's website with a little editing: |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
Brett and Ted, |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
That's over 130 issues of Wagner... wow... I wonder how many of those issues has a population of less than the T206 Wagner? |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
Thanks, Richard. After looking at the list it appears that the T206 would actually be one of the more common Wagners out there. Some of those listed are next to impossible, such as Tango Eggs, Allegheny, Darby, etc. Many others are very, very tough, such as Texas Tommys and PC796. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
I would say that the most common would probably be the game cards such as Tom Barker and National Game. I believe that, for the grade, these would probably be some of the cheapest on the list. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Zach Rice
Richard, i've seen both his Ju Ju Drum and his Darbys. The Ju Ju Drum shows Wagner batting and I believe his Darby's does as well, i'll have to scan the image I have of it. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Richard |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: quan
rman ur on fire today! good job. also to say i'd love to see a scan of an e98 OP overprint or an e94 OP or an e101 NB back. For the life of me I can't bear to call the e98 op and the e101 nb by their D names...they're caramel cards damn it. |
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50-60 T-206 Wagners Exist? Really !!!!!
Posted By: Richard
Damn, Ted! A VE Wagner. What I wouldn't do for an opportunity on that one. |
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