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Old 06-07-2008, 11:41 AM
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Posted By: Robert Klevens

I recently listed this 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle #311 card on Ebay. The card was submitted to PSA and was returned as altered with the reason being "altered stock". I listed the card on Ebay with the images below stating that the card was authentic, but altered.
Ebay canceled the auction stating that I violated the terms of sale "Trademark Violation - Unauthorized Item". At the time the auction was canceled the card had received almost 20 bids and was at $2025. I can't believe that Ebay can cancel an auction because of this. My account is now at risk and may be suspended. Please tell me your thoughts.

The email from Ebay is as follows:



We regret to inform you that we have removed the following listing:

1952 Topps MICKEY MANTLE # 311 PSA Authentic ROOKIE

In this particular case, your listing included a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle Card that is reportedly favored by counterfeiters.



Please understand that we are not in the position to verify the authenticity of trading cards and, as such, we cannot say for certain whether or not this particular card is authentic however, due to recent concerns with counterfeit trading cards, eBay now requires this card to be professionally graded and sealed within a hard plastic case (or
'slabbed') prior to being listed.




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Old 06-07-2008, 11:46 AM
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Posted By: Anthony N.

Why wouldn't PSA holder it as "authentic" if it's a real, but altered? If you have them do this you'll be able to list it.

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Old 06-07-2008, 11:59 AM
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Posted By: Robert Klevens

I sent a total of 35 cards to PSA on four different submission forms. I wrote that I would like any ungradeable card to be slabbed on only one of the submission forms and they did slab all 6 ungradeable cards on that form only. I called PSA and was told I would have to pay the submission fee again and it was up to the grader whether the card would put in a case. I still can't believe that Ebay can cancel an auction for this reason.

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Old 06-07-2008, 12:06 PM
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Posted By: boxingcardman

We all want Ebay to cut down on the fraudulent garbage; their hit list is a good start. Sorry you got caught in it but I believe it is for the collective good. Plus, you will probably do better anyhow if the card is slabbed, even with an "A".

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Old 06-07-2008, 12:56 PM
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Posted By: Donald Miller

Hello,
I am curious. How is it altered?

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Old 06-07-2008, 01:03 PM
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Mail it to me.

I'll "slab" it and provide you with a certificate that it is an authentic Mantle card. Then it would fit eBay criteria, wouldn't it??


I think it is crap. If they get to the point where they only allow auctions of slabbed cards by the big 2 or 3, then then that would be bad for collectors and wonderful for card companies.


And what about the cards that are slabbed and misidentified? Doesn't this current eBay policy actually facilitate the sale of mislabeled slabbed cards.

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Old 06-07-2008, 02:32 PM
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Posted By: Gary Weatherhead

Just curious as to what the alteration was; are they saying it was re-backed or had rebuilt corners or surface areas? And what does 'favored by counterfeiters' mean? All Counterfeiters love a 52 Mantle.

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Old 06-07-2008, 02:40 PM
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Posted By: Robert Klevens

I was told the corners were rebuilt. I am not sure how many of them were though. I guess there is an epidemic of counterfeit Mantle cards on Ebay lately. Ebay is totally clueless. I have been using Ebay for 10 years and have 100% positive feedback. It shows Ebay does not respect their Powersellers. They didn't even contact me before cancelling the auction.

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Posted By: Anonymous

...If they get to the point where they only allow auctions of slabbed cards by the big 2 or 3, then then that would be bad for collectors and wonderful for card companies...

I belive that the policy already states it must be PSA, SGC, or GAI only.

You need to resubmit and request it slabbed as "A" if altered. But you may get a 3 this time anyway.

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Posted By: sagard

The problem is the scammer who came before you. He presented a Mantle with a PSA trimmed Card Saver 1. Unfortunately he swapped the trimmed Mantle with a bogus Mantle.

It sucks for you, but I think Ebay is actually doing the right thing here.

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Old 06-07-2008, 04:16 PM
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Posted By: Rob

"you need to resubmit and request it slabbed as "A" if altered. But you may get a 3 this time anyway."

hee hee, good stuff

Rob


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Old 06-07-2008, 04:27 PM
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier

I would un-rebuild the corners and take a low grade...which is a step up from authentic. It's been done before with favorable results.

Only problem might be that with rebuilt corners there is almost always some trimming or sanding involved.

Just a thought.

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Old 06-07-2008, 04:38 PM
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Posted By: Steve

I belive that the policy already states it must be PSA, SGC, or GAI only.


Not sure about that as I saw a PRO graded Mantle sell recently.


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Old 06-07-2008, 05:48 PM
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Posted By: boxingcardman

Not being included in a group when the third one isn't even open until Monday...

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Old 06-08-2008, 11:54 AM
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Posted By: Mark Anderson

Yes, BGS/BVG is included in the list of accepted graders.

Also, there is a list of about a dozen or so cards that ebay only will allow to be sold as graded, including the 52T Mantle, T206 Wagner, Gretzky RCs, Michael Jordan RCs, etc. I have the list at work and can post in a day or two unless someone else has the list handy.

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Old 06-08-2008, 12:19 PM
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

Not related to this card and this thread but - it would be nice if ebay allowed a member to explain why a given listing is a bogus card, i.e., the font on T206 cards, so that anyone could see the difference. However, ebay allows only the item number to be reported. Makes no sense.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Mark, the list was posted in a different thread a week or two ago.

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Posted By: Lance

Where did this card originate from? I looked at 2 cards, at the same pawn shop, with the same fade mark on the cap. I assumed that the cards were knock offs because of the mark. I think I still have the scans on file, if you want to see them.

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Posted By: Robert Klevens

This card belongs to a customer of mine in Japan. He has owned this card for many years.

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Old 06-08-2008, 07:25 PM
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I don't think this card has had it's corners rebuilt, but I could be wrong. If you look at the top white border right in the middle I think there is a rebuilt pinhole there. You can see the same "circle" on the back scan on the far left half-way up the side. This is the alteration that PSA saw.

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Posted By: Lance

Not the same card, but eerie all the same.


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