1982 Topps Blackless

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The 68 Topps Milton Bradley set is viewed by some as a parallel set and by others as variations to the 68 set. It also is only a partial set. Interestingly two of the MB cards, Cox and Brinkman, have long been viewed as variations to the 68 set ( incorrectly in my view)

If the MB cards never came in 1968 Topps packs, I'm not sure how anyone can think they are a variation. Only makes sense to me to call them an independent reprint set, along with the football and car cards that came in the board game. A complete set would be all the cards from the board game; just the baseball would be a subset.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If the MB cards never came in 1968 Topps packs, I'm not sure how anyone can think they are a variation. Only makes sense to me to call them an independent reprint set, along with the football and car cards that came in the board game. A complete set would be all the cards from the board game; just the baseball would be a subset.

I assume it is because everyone has there own notion of what is or should be a variation and they do not always agree, and there is no hobby standard.

I personally agree they are not variations, and am ok with calling them reprints or a parallel set, but I think the hobby has ruled otherwise on Cox and Brinkman, so I keep a second copy of their MB cards in my 68 set as well as in my MB set

I also agree that they are a subset, but SCD and Lemke have listed several Topps baseball subsets independent of the other non baseball subjects in such sets in The Standard Catalog. I have collected just the baseball subjects listed in the Catalog for the 48 Magic Photos, 55 and 56 Hocus Focus, the 54 Topps Scoops and Look and See, the 63 Great American Stamps and Valentine Foldees ( 63 and 66), the 65 Push Pulls and the 68 MBs.

And there is a variation of the MB checklist. There are 2 versions of the 107. Although Carlton Miller, our resident MB expert would disagree with me on that point. He would say the 2nd CL is card 77 in the set ( subset) and not a variation, I think because it is a DP. I tend to think of DP differences, although not necessarily intended but resulting from set up of the sheet layouts, as variations ( for example the 2 different 52 Mantles, Robinsons and Thompsons). I understand not all would agree, and that's ok with me. I am not sure anyone has a monopoly on what constitutes a real variation. Ultimately I guess the hobby as a whole decided over time

[bswhiten]

Picked up the Cecil Cooper - "Cloud" on back
I know they are just defects of defects but I will still try to track down the others
I have only seen the Madlock. If anyone has pics of any of the others I would love to see them. I asked Fred and he didn't save the scans. Thanks!

Would be interesting to know if these specific defects occurred on the typical non blackless cards too.

9 Ron Guidry with Gray “flying saucer”

60a Tony Armas small gray “egg” on back

137a George Cappuzello Purple George

365a Bill Madlock gray cloud on back

385a Ken Forsch Red strip on Cap

564a Doug Decinces gray cloud by ©

664a Dan Spillner Letters underlined

675a Cecil Cooper gray cloud on back

[ALR-bishop]

I have the 137 variant. My cards are on the move to a new location but will post a scan later. Also have at least 2 other cards not on Fred's list that also have defects not on the "regular" blackless cards in my set

Have never tried to run down if the defects can be found on non blackless cards but suspect they do

[savedfrommyspokes]

Wanted to see if my Madlock with and w/o a cloud match what Ben has seen previously....

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have the 137 variant. My cards are on the move to a new location but will post a scan later. Also have at least 2 other cards not on Fred's list that also have defects not on the "regular" blackless cards in my set

Would love to see those too Al. Thanks!

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Wanted to see if my Madlock with and w/o a cloud match what Ben has seen previously....

Larry, yep that is it. You can send it to me for safekeeping if you wish

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

I know they are just defects of defects but I will still try to track down the others


137a George Cappuzello Purple George

Unfortunately I couldn't find a scan of the 1982 Topps blackless George Cappuzzello with the print defect that changes the color of his name, but I have seen it before and if it is going to be considered a "variation" then the card below it on the uncut sheet should also be included on the list as it was also affected by the same print flaw, Hector Cruz. ETA, I did run across the Blackless George Cappuzzello purple name on WorthPoint. The 82 Blackless cards of Cappuzzello and Cruz are much more difficult to find without the print flaw than ones with it.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Unfortunately I couldn't find a scan of the 1982 Topps blackless George Cappuzzello with the print defect that changes the color of his name, but I have seen it before and if it is going to be considered a "variation" then the card below it on the uncut sheet should also be included on the list as it was also affected by the same print flaw, Hector Cruz. ETA, I did run across the Blackless George Cappuzzello purple name on WorthPoint. The 82 Blackless cards of Cappuzzello and Cruz are much more difficult to find without the print flaw than ones with it.

Hi guys, Here my Two Cappuzzellos:

[Cliff Bowman]

It looks they’re both the normal version, not the one affected by the print flaw that makes his first name purple. When I looked for a blackless 1982 Hector Cruz a few years ago all I could find were ones that have the large print defect and gave up on trying to find one without it. I imagine all of the Hector Cruz cards without the defect are sitting in collections and are unavailable. The print defect that makes the Cappuzzello name purple is part of the same one that covers the Cruz card. ETA: The Cappuzzello I have scanned is poor quality but it shows the version with the purple GEORGE.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It looks they’re both the normal version, not the one affected by the print flaw that makes his first name purple. When I looked for a blackless 1982 Hector Cruz a few years ago all I could find were ones that have the large print defect and gave up on trying to find one without it. I imagine all of the Hector Cruz cards without the defect are sitting in collections and are unavailable. The print defect that makes the Cappuzzello name purple is part of the same one that covers the Cruz card. ETA: The Cappuzzello I have scanned is poor quality but it shows the version with the purple GEORGE.

The only difference i note in my cards, additional for faint signature andother pure Blackless is one is a little soft image, and other is more color. All blackless cruz card i saw have this print defect, very interesting.