Need Help to identify this cabinet

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Does anybody know who this is and what year it was made? Rob

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Can you read the photographer's imprint at the bottom? That will give you a clue as to where the team is from. If it's a minor league team you may have a chance at identifying the player if it's just a town team then good luck...you may never know. It also appears to be circa 1910.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

The front has Hoffman and York, PA the player I think is Ivan Spangler

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

The letters on the jersey appear to be W D and M...figure out what those letters represent and you're halfway home.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Can anybody else help identify this card? Rob

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Posted By: David Smith

W M D?

Ask George Bush he should know.........


David

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

This does seem to be a tuff one to figure out. Rob

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

This does seem to be a tuff one to figure out. Rob

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Can anyone tell me what team the logo is from? I havesearchedbut can not find anything close to it. I figured with all the experiance on this board someone would know. Rob

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Are there any old timers that can help me out on this one? Or maybe someone from PA? Rob

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Posted By: Glen V

Is it an 'M' or two A's?

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Posted By: Jimi

Looks like 2 'A's and a 'D' in the middle.

Jimi

Always looking for T222 Fatimas!

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

It could be 2 A's. I found a web site that has logos from many many teams but nothing that looks like that. Rob

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Posted By: Mark L

My in-laws are from York and are visiting this week. I will ask themm tonight or tomorrow if they can think of anything.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Does indeed look like two A's...which almost always stands for "Athletic Association".

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Has anybody found out anything about this logo? Rob

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

If I had to guess I'd say it stands for "Dover Athletic Association". Dover is the closest town to York that starts with a "D".

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Posted By: DaveW

I don't know about the logo, but I was able to find out
that there was a James Ivan Spangler who was born in 1893
near York, PA and is also buried there. He appears in the
Penn State yearbook of 1915. If this is your guy, then the
photo is probably from the late 1910's. Not much help, but
better than nothing. Good luck,
- Dave

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Thank you very much guys, I am on the trail and will let you know what I find. Rob

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Posted By: Mark L

I thought of Dover, too, but don't overlook Dillburg and Dallastown (site of my wedding).

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

This is going to drive me crazy! I cannot find a dam thing on this guy or what the logo stands for. Rob

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Antique cabinet cards, tintypes, etc can have value even if the player and team is not identified. For most tintypes, the player and team is unknown, and baseball tintypes generally sell for fair dollar.

It would raise the value to find out the player is in a minor league or college uniform, but being unable to id a subject isn't the end of the world. Besides, there's a good chance the subject is wearing a high school jersey.

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Posted By: S Gross

Looks like C (not D) and 2 A's --- Carlisle AA ??

(oh, and Mark, it's DillSburg )

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

I received the card today and boy it is beautiful. Here is the auction where I got it. Robhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220318062846&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=012 href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/post?messageid=1228602383">

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Hello, I was wondering if anyone has found out anything about this card for me? Rob

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Robert, have you taken our suggestions and looked to see what "D" Athletic Associations may have existed near York, PA? I'm afraid nobody is going to take the time to do this for you.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Yes, I have tried quite a bit but have found nothing much with that name. Ok I get it I will not ask any more questions about this card. I just figured this may be the place where someone might know. I guess one must really be pretty sharp to know this one. Rob

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Posted By: Brian

http://minors.sabrwebs.com/cgi-bin/search.php?person=Spangler&team=&league=&year=

No record of an Ivan Spangler ever playing in professional minor leagues....

milbID Player Active Given name B T Ht Wt Born At Died At
spangl001alb Spangler, Al 1954-1971; Mgr Albert Donald L L 72 175 1933-7-8 Philadelphia, PA
spangl001alv Spangler, Alva 1903-1910 Alva G 1882 OH
spangl001bob Spangler, Bob 2000-2001 Bob R R 73 175 1977-2-2
spangl001edg Spangler, Edgar 1958-1959 Edgar R S 73 180 1939
spangl001eug Spangler, Eugene 1946-1946 Eugene
spangl001fre Spangler, Fred 1946-1946 Fred
spangl001pur Spangler, Purvis 1936-1940 Purvis R 68 155 1914
spangl001r-- Spangler, R 1936-1936 R
spangl001rob Spangler, Robert 1946-1946 Robert D
spangl001wil Spangler, William 1948-1953 William Frank L 71 160 1929

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Posted By: Glyn

don't know if it helps
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.cr awford/2768/mb.ashx?pnt=1

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Posted By: Mike McKee

I read this thread from beginning to end and wondered what the writer hoped this card to be.

It is a nice cabinet which looks period of a young man probably playing for a high school or normal school or maybe an athletic club. Maybe even a minor league club.

Obviously, the named has been researched to see if he played in the bigs. I assume he never did.

Maybe I am missing something but I do not understand the obsession.

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Posted By: peter ullman

isn't that what collecting and this hobby is about...obsession! And hope! And desperation sometimes!

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Posted By: Mike McKee

I hope not. I view it as a deversion & relaxation

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Thanks to a lurker who emailed me I have found out that it is not Ivan but Alva Spangler and so far all I have found on him is that he played for South Bend and was playing first base. The following is what I have found. Rob----- In 1904 Frank "Red" Herbert died a day after a collision with South Bend's first baseman Alva Spangler

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Posted By: Brian

Alva Spangler
Given name: Alva G Bats: ? Throws: ? Height: Weight: ?
Born: 1882 at OH (US)
IDs: MiLB-DB: spangl001alv SABR: MLBAM:


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Teams

Year League Club Organization Stint First game Last game
1903 Central League (B) South Bend Greens none
1904 American Association (A) Louisville Colonels none
1904 Central League (B) South Bend Greens none
1905 Central League (B) Wheeling Stogies none
1906 Central League (B) Wheeling Stogies none
1907 Central League (B) Wheeling Stogies none
1908 Central League (B) Evansville River Rats none
1908 Central League (B) Wheeling Stogies none 2
1909 Central League (B) Evansville River Rats none
1909 Central League (B) Zanesville Infants none 2
1910 Texas League (C) Galveston Sand Crabs none