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Old 03-21-2004, 12:51 PM
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I bought these 3 cards on eBay knowing:
1) They are not T206s as described, they are M116s from the tough scarce series and
2) I had never seen any of the 3 for sale on ebay in the last couple of years and
3) The name and team typed on the bottom are absolutely incorrect.
Can anyone tell me who these guys are?????





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Old 03-21-2004, 12:55 PM
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Old 03-21-2004, 01:15 PM
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bob,

the first one is perring, columbus, the second one is erwin, brooklyn and last one charlie smith, boston.

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Old 03-21-2004, 01:15 PM
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Hi TBOB:

I saw that weird group of Sporting Life photo cards as well on EBAY. I didn't recognize any of the players, which makes me wonder if these were individuals that didn't make the final cut for the M116 series.

That would possibly explain why the names were not printed on the cards as they were perhaps a test series.

At a later date, someone then typed in their guess regarding player identification. As we saw with Keith Obermann's "Eight Men In" T206 find, the identifications were incorrect.

Just my guess.

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Leave it to Scott to identify Horner photos! Below is Erwin's T207 - it's almost certainly the same guy in Bob's 2nd photo.

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Old 03-21-2004, 01:36 PM
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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

TBOB:

Erwin, Brooklyn is shown in the Frank Slocum Classic Baseball Cards book.

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Do these photos not exist in m116 set?

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all of the cards the seller offered were known and listed in the set, at first i thought he may have had some surprises, but after looking at larger scans you could see where the type had been erased and typewritten over, obviously by kids making up there own teams. he had a few t205's which were easier to tell. many were easily recognizable, but some took looking up in my set.

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Old 03-21-2004, 06:10 PM
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I appreciate it, they will be nice placeholders until others come around. I probably could have had the other 3 scarce series cards I was bidding on but the guy who won at least 2, maybe 3 of them must be a team (Boston I think) collector and chased the price up on them because someone had typed Boston on the card, of course the players were no more from Boston than I am. A couple of fellow collectors asked me what I was doing bidding on these cards but anyone who has ever put together a tough set card by card knows you will take any condition scarce card in the set even it means one with problems, hoping a better one comes along down the road.

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Hi Bob--seeing that Scott has answered the question of the player identities, thought I would point out that Tim N. mentioned in another thread that these cards should also have the correct identity of the player penciled in on the back of the card. I have five of these typed-jobbies, and I find myself flipping them over to remind myself what player is actually pictured.

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Hi Brian and all,

What I meant to say was that the 35 of them that I bought from Gar Miller a few years ago had the correct names on the backs. Gar probably wrote them on himself. It sounds as though the ones that have shown up on ebay don't have that feature, even though they were obviously doctored by the same person.

I'm aggravated about this whole thing and can't believe how much the d*** things brought on ebay. I wonder how much of this was due to the seller's egregious mislabeling of them. I could sell the remaining ones I have, but I would have to describe them accurately, assure people they were not "new discoveries" or "uncataloged" (not to mention that they weren't T206). And they'd bring maybe $5 apiece. This jerk's ignorance made him a fair amount of extra money.

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and I have seen board members' opinions on this fall all the way along it, from total disgust with any "disguising" of facts, to a feeling that it is completely the buyer's responsibility and anything short of a flat-out lie is allowable by the seller.

Basically, many ebayers (and auction houses) treat their auctions like a detective game: they attempt to create added value in the bidders' minds by indicating what the item "might" be (something rare or very valuable), then present all the evidence needed in order for the bidder to solve the mystery, determining (if they follow the clues correctly) that it is NOT valuable at all...the problem is that the research involved usually takes more brains than most ebayers possess, and/or more time and effort than anyone is willing to spend.

The key thing: the ebayer almost always knows what they are selling, but appeal to our desire to get something rare for a bargain, with words and phrases like "supplement", "proof", "might be real".

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A really nice M116 scarce series Ford NY in near EXMT except for top to bottom centering problems goes for $32???? I paid nearly that for the "junk" M116s with the type on the bottom. I already had Ford but should have bid on it as a "trader." I have a scarce M116 Gaspar in around EX+ on ebay now and it too is hanging around $39 when it should be up around $90-100. You just never know on eBay.

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Can you identify these 2 guys from the M116 set?
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The other I don't recognize.

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The second one is Cliff Curtis. Since I had both Ferguson and Curtis, I passed.
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