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Old 07-27-2021, 08:33 AM
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Default HELP! Is this an authentic 1911 T3 Turkey Red?

I need some help. I've only seen 2-3 Turkey Red cards in person, but I've been trying to get one. I finally won an auction last night:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373651811279

The card is marked as original, but after comparing it with others I'm suspicious that it could be a replica. Comparing it with other examples of the same card the image of the card I won looks brighter and more washed out. For instance, when I compare it to this other listing (https://www.ebay.com/itm/233714166812) the image looks much less "rich". It looks more similar to the coloring of this Ty Cobb replica (https://www.etsy.com/hk-en/listing/7...ey-red-cabinet). It's hard to tell if the surface has that orange peel / leather look that the real cards have from the scans. I compared the back to this one and it does have the same glue look, but the text looks like a different color (https://www.ebay.com/itm/373635823535).

I know it's hard to tell whether these are just poor scans. I'm just looking for a "gut feel" from someone with experience to either give me confidence that it's real, or confirm that it looks suspect?
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Old 07-27-2021, 08:46 AM
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I can’t say for sure, but my first reaction is that that’s a hell of a lot of effort to age a $91 card. At first glance, I think you’re ok.
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:18 AM
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It's legit.
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Old 07-27-2021, 10:10 AM
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For my own understanding (as I plan to get more low-grade T3 cards), is the coloring difference just a poor quality scan or some other reason?

I understand that the card isn't a Mike Wheat reprint because it lacks the starburst on the rear corners, but other than that I'd like to learn how to identify fake vs authentic. I know to look for the texture. Anything else?
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Old 07-27-2021, 10:23 AM
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Old 07-27-2021, 10:27 AM
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Obviously, I don't have it in hand, but it looks fine to me.

Any difference in brightness is likely due to the scanning.

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I need some help. I've only seen 2-3 Turkey Red cards in person, but I've been trying to get one. I finally won an auction last night:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373651811279

The card is marked as original, but after comparing it with others I'm suspicious that it could be a replica. Comparing it with other examples of the same card the image of the card I won looks brighter and more washed out. For instance, when I compare it to this other listing (https://www.ebay.com/itm/233714166812) the image looks much less "rich". It looks more similar to the coloring of this Ty Cobb replica (https://www.etsy.com/hk-en/listing/7...ey-red-cabinet). It's hard to tell if the surface has that orange peel / leather look that the real cards have from the scans. I compared the back to this one and it does have the same glue look, but the text looks like a different color (https://www.ebay.com/itm/373635823535).

I know it's hard to tell whether these are just poor scans. I'm just looking for a "gut feel" from someone with experience to either give me confidence that it's real, or confirm that it looks suspect?
Looks fine...and a good buy
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Red ink tends to fade the fastest in sunlight, such as if the T3 was displayed for a long time many years ago.
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Red ink tends to fade the fastest in sunlight, such as if the T3 was displayed for a long time many years ago.
I received the card and it absolutely looks original (has the texture and sharp color). I think the seller just had a poor quality scan. I attached a photo that shows the card in a toploader. The color is much richer than the scan implied, so I don't think the red is faded much.
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Old 08-02-2021, 06:38 PM
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You got a great deal! And the texture is the thing to look for as you mentioned.

At one time I had over 70 of them, and the other distinctive characteristic was the smell. They seemed to have a distinctive, not unpleasant odor, even though I got them from probably 20 or 30 different sources.
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Great looking card of a beautiful set for a great price. Lately, it's been hard to find T3s for what you paid that aren't really rough.
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