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Old 03-19-2024, 04:33 PM
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Here's the only Azcue MC I was tracking - looks like a rookie stars card above him?

Are we feeling sure enough of the Phillies over Buchek to use it to help construct the columns?

I don't see the Stigman color line fingerprint over the Bailey - what should I look for?

I looked again at the Schofield MC and I think it could easily be either the RS or Braves rookies, so on my sheet I took away Schofield being over either (have him listed elsewhere as over one or the other).

Separating this out leaves us with a column with Gibbon, Braves Rookies and GOrdy Coleman and another with only Schofield and Hannan.

I think it is Barber over Roznovsky, so that gives us a baby column with Roznovsky, Barber and Kline.

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Here's the only Azcue MC I was tracking - looks like a rookie stars card above him?

Are we feeling sure enough of the Phillies over Buchek to use it to help construct the columns?

I don't see the Stigman color line fingerprint over the Bailey - what should I look for?

I looked again at the Schofield MC and I think it could easily be either the RS or Braves rookies, so on my sheet I took away Schofield being over either (have him listed elsewhere as over one or the other).

Separating this out leaves us with a column with Gibbon, Braves Rookies and GOrdy Coleman and another with only Schofield and Hannan.

I think it is Barber over Roznovsky, so that gives us a baby column with Roznovsky, Barber and Kline.
Here's the Azcue miscut, I have to agree with Kevin that it is Don Buford under Azcue after comparing the miscut to the top of Buford. Every Phillies Team card has that ink dot so I would confirm Buchek under the Phillies Team card. There is another Azcue with a Rookie Stars card above it but I don't know if there is a way to tell which one it is, I'll have to study it for any clues. ETA: I think it could also be a team card above Azcue.
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Old 03-20-2024, 02:33 AM
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The Bennett miscut with the trademark of the adjacent card near the edge of the pink border could be either 501, O'Donoghue, or 487, Ferrara. Both of those cards are 4x, and both have the trademark in the approximate correct location.

When I adjust the images using my crude abilities, it looks to me as if Ferrara is a better match, but I'm not ready to conclusively state that.
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Old 03-21-2024, 07:32 AM
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I ran across this miscut last night that I didn't know I had because I listed it as a 7 Series rather than a 6 Series, it shows #511 Giants Rookie Stars at the top of a Slit which I believe puts the card at the end of the 4x Aaron row. I am puzzled why this card and Camilo Carreon have lower than normal 4x quantities on eBay but as of now all of the evidence has them at the end of 4x rows.
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Old 03-21-2024, 03:23 PM
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Things change quickly, so to sum up, here are the columns, full and partial:
LE
Aaron
Nuxhall
Fox
Moeller
Skinner
Gonzalez
Cubs Rookies

RE:
Hamilton
6th Checklist
7th Checklist
Wood
Giants Rookies
Carreon
Edwards


Oliva
Simmons
Ellsworth
Howard

Roznovsky
Kline
Barber

Buford
Latman
Azcue

Gibbon
Braves Rookies
Coleman

Radatz
Rollins

Yankees Rookies
Bressoud

Blefary
Klippstein

Bunker
Lee

Hannan
Schofield

Jimenez
O'Dohoghue

Richardson
Rodgers

Cannizzaro
Belinsky

Additionally, we have these side-by-sides:
Jimenez/Phillies Team
Klippstein/McAuliffe
Green/Linz
Bennett/Ferrara

These cards are on the top of one slit:
Aaron
Lolich
Wynn
GOnzalez
Giants Rookies

We also have an Aaron on the bottom row

Plus, about a couple dozen or more indeterminates that may prove useful as we get closer and start a process of elimination.

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Old 03-21-2024, 09:22 PM
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This is one of the tentative slits that Kevin and I came up with the LE (header) cards and the RE cards that are on the same row. The other slit has the Aaron row at the top but we need more information to complete it.

1. Gonzalez - Carreon
2. Nuxhall - S Hamilton
3. Fox - Checklist 6
4. Skinner - Wood
5. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars
6. Moeller - Checklist 7
7. Cubs Rookie Stars - Edwards
8. Gonzalez - Carreon
9. Nuxhall - S Hamilton
10. Fox - Checklist 6
11. Skinner - Wood
12. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars
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Default 1966 series 6, semi-highs

We also have the possible vertical pairs of Wynn-Ferrara and Phillies team- Buchek, unless you feel it's too early to definitively call those.





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This is one of the tentative slits that Kevin and I came up with the LE (header) cards and the RE cards that are on the same row. The other slit has the Aaron row at the top but we need more information to complete it.

1. Gonzalez - Carreon
2. Nuxhall - S Hamilton
3. Fox - Checklist 6
4. Skinner - Wood
5. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars
6. Moeller - Checklist 7
7. Cubs Rookie Stars - Edwards
8. Gonzalez - Carreon
9. Nuxhall - S Hamilton
10. Fox - Checklist 6
11. Skinner - Wood
12. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars
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Old 03-22-2024, 05:34 AM
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My bad - I had recorded the Phillies over Buchek on my spread sheet, but forgot to include it here. So that's 2 complete columns and 13 pieces of others that will somehow come together to form the remaining 9.

IMHO the Wynn Ferrara match seems too tentative at this point.
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Old 03-25-2024, 06:01 AM
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I think the only two possible cards that it could be (Under Wynn) are Podres or Ferrara. The other Yanks/Dodgers have been eliminated (Moeller is in Col 1), Yanks RS doesn't match, Richardson is over Lee, Hamilton is in C11, and Friend has the strange sky (photoshopped?).

Interestingly, I also show Richardson has a red banner above him.




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My bad - I had recorded the Phillies over Buchek on my spread sheet, but forgot to include it here. So that's 2 complete columns and 13 pieces of others that will somehow come together to form the remaining 9.

IMHO the Wynn Ferrara match seems too tentative at this point.
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I think the only two possible cards that it could be (Under Wynn) are Podres or Ferrara. The other Yanks/Dodgers have been eliminated (Moeller is in Col 1), Yanks RS doesn't match, Richardson is over Lee, Hamilton is in C11, and Friend has the strange sky (photoshopped?).

Interestingly, I also show Richardson has a red banner above him.
It is Ferrara under Wynn, it can’t be Podres because he has trees at the top left. Also, Richardson has B Rodgers under him, not B Lee.
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Yes, you are correct. I have card 462 under Richardson, which is Rodgers.
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Old 03-25-2024, 07:34 AM
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Agreed - Ferrara is under Wynn. Since neither Wynn nor Ferrara have previously be identified in any other over/under pairs, this now gives us 14 column fragments (setting aside the LE and RE) out of which 9 will eventual emerge, once we get some more miscuts.
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Old 03-25-2024, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for all the work on the tough 6th slit guys!Awesome .
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Bobby Bragan is above Sam McDowell, I'm pretty sure Bragan is a 4x and McDowell is a 3x. I thought it was a Rookie Stars card at first but realized it's a regular player card and McDowell has a facade in the upper right corner.
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Cool! Neither Bragan nor McDowell had popped up before, so now we have a total of 15 partial columns that need to eventually be reduced to the 9 we still need.
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Old 04-06-2024, 07:42 AM
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Buchek at the bottom of one of the slits...
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Old 04-20-2024, 10:34 AM
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This thread has hit the proverbial wall, Jose Cardenal has a Rookie Stars card to his right on a 3x row.
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From a previous miscut it was known that a Pirate-Red Sox player was above Ken Johnson but not which one, a more severe miscut shows that it is Dennis Bennett, two unique flaws in the cartoon border line on Bennett match up perfectly with the card on the miscut. We should have this baby wrapped up by 2044.
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Which is better progress than we're making on 65 series 6 or 58 series 1 and 6. LOL
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Old 06-01-2024, 06:15 AM
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With Bennett over Johnson, this gives us 16 partial columns from which eventually only 9 full columns can emerge (we have the LE and RE columns complete).

I swear every time I search daily uploads on eBay of "1966 Topps" I will find at least 1 miscut where you can ID an adjacent card, but NEVER of this 6th series - they must have put their top crew on that shift.

Those cards for which we still have absolutely no matches (making them high value targets) are, according to my records:

Pirates Rookies
McDaniel
Covington
Podres
Stuart
Face
McCool
Stanky
Banks
A's Team
Hargan
Cardenal
Hatton
Wilhelm
Stigman
Woodeshick
Friend
Wyatt
Lolich
Bearnarth

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Old 06-01-2024, 08:34 AM
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So, I think these images confirm that Hoyt Wilhelm is at the top of one of the slits - agree?

Do we think the Stanky image gives enough basis to declare him at the bottom of one?
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Old 06-01-2024, 08:39 AM
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Uh-oh.

The left hand column was previously determined to have been:
Aaron
Nuxhall
Fox
Cubs Rookies
Gonzalez
Skinner
Moeller

Does this image of Wyatt mean we need to reconsider??
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Old 06-01-2024, 09:02 AM
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I am very confident that we have all of the correct LE (header) cards, that Wyatt must have been cut at the maximum right on top of the line. It also appears that both slits of the 1966 6th Series has a 4x row at the top of each sheet and a 4x row at the bottom of each sheet.
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Old 06-01-2024, 09:22 AM
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The more I look at it, it appears Wyatt may be trimmed along the right border.
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Found a Lolich image on eBay placing his row at the bottom of a slit. There is an image of a Lolich on this thread which places his row on the top of a slit as well.

Also, there is this image that is on eBay - I asked the seller to post a scan of the reverse. We'll see.
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Found a Lolich image on eBay placing his row at the bottom of a slit. There is an image of a Lolich on this thread which places his row on the top of a slit as well.

Also, there is this image that is on eBay - I asked the seller to post a scan of the reverse. We'll see.
Nice find! It is a Brave or an Angel, which are B Rodgers, K Johnson, Bragan, B Lee, Cannizzaro, H Aaron, and Cardenal. Aaron is not possible, it's highly unlikely Bragan or Cannizzaro because they have different cards under them, so that leaves Rodgers, Johnson, Lee, and Cardenal. Unfortunately I don't see any unique flaws in the color band, so hopefully we will be able to tell by the back scan.
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We need more of these, John O'Donoghue (I believe) is to the left of Jerry Buchek. It is a Phillie or an Indian, and O'Donoghue is the only one that matches. What looks like blue on the edge must be chipping.
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Has to be O'Donoghue - the placement of the TM line on the reverse cinches it.
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Here is the back of that miscut Mickey Lolich, I'm pretty certain it is Buck Rodgers above him but I can't confirm it. I don't think it is either of the pitchers Bob Lee or Ken Johnson, the bottom part of the p of pitcher would be showing on the front of the card, and I don't think it is Jose Cardenal because the black border line of his cartoon has a couple of unique flaws that aren't present on the Lolich miscut.
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It's Rodgers. On the Cardenal, the cartoon loop doesn't extend past the orange border as it does on this card. The only other possibilities (setting aside Bragan for obvious reasons) would be pitchers Johnson and Lee, both of which as you say would show a trace of the 'p', and Cannizzaro. It can't be the latter because the black stat lines run to the edge of the orange field, which also obviously doesn't match. So, you're correct - it has to be Rodgers.

Since we already had a mini column with Rodgers and Richardson, it now has Lolich as well.

Two matches from the 6th of '66 in one day - who would have thunk it?

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490 Richardson is also below a yank/Dodger

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490 Richardson is also below a yank/Dodger

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There are six Yankees/Dodgers in the 6th Series and Richardson, Hamilton, and Moeller are eliminated, so that leaves Friend, Ferrara, and Podres. I think it is Friend or Ferrara but I can't determine either one.
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Jim Hannan at the bottom of a slit.
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Skinner is under Fox - Fox is the only other yellow card on the left edge...
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Yes, Fox and Skinner are both leading edge cards and Fox is over Skinner
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