1973 Dean's Photo Service Padres Jim Davenport

[bobsbbcards]

Good morning!

This may already have been settled, but I don't think that this card exists for these reasons:

1) I don't have one.
2) The other Dean's Photo Service sets all contain 30 cards, while the 1973 set is listed in the Standard Catalog as having 31 cards (odd).
3) I can't find an image of one on that there internet.
4) The last set I found for sale in an auction was missing the Davenport.


Can anyone show me a scan of a '73 Davenport? The '73s are blank backed, and Davenport appeared in '74 and '75, so don't show me one of those to try and fool me. I wasn't born yesterday, pal.

[bobsbbcards]

....and since all threads need a picture of something.

[ALR-bishop]

Bob---at least you could have posted a picture of Jim Davenport so we knew who we were looking for

[Cliff Bowman]

Someone in charge of a price guide probably mistook a 1974 or 1975 Davenport for a 1973 years ago and it stuck. It is impossible for there to be a 1973 Jim Davenport, he was the Manager of the Triple A Phoenix Giants for all of 1973 before becoming a Padres coach in 1974.

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Someone in charge of a price guide probably mistook a 1974 or 1975 Davenport for a 1973 years ago and it stuck. It is impossible for there to be a 1973 Jim Davenport, he was the Manager of the Triple A Phoenix Giants for all of 1973 before becoming a Padres coach in 1974.

Thanks for the info. I'll stop looking.

[mrmopar]

Good example of the blind faith we place in checklists and price guides sometimes. There were a few Garvey items on the master Beckett checklist that I finally gave up on and assumed do not exist.

[ledsters]

I have all the Dean’s Photo Service Padres sets. I don’t believe the Davenport exists either. The 1973 set is on a thicker paper stock with lines in the paper, somewhat like linen. I have never seen a Davenport with that type of paper.

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by ledsters

I have all the Dean’s Photo Service Padres sets. I don’t believe the Davenport exists either. The 1973 set is on a thicker paper stock with lines in the paper, somewhat like linen. I have never seen a Davenport with that type of paper.

Thanks, Kevin!

[Rich Klein]

Speaking as a cataloguer, we would get or see checklists and usually take it as a leap of faith the information was correct. If we found out something different we would remove those cards from the list.

However, every once in a while we would leave in a card which we knew did not exist. The reason, if someone copied your checklist, you could go to court and properly claim plagarism. So there is that as well.

Rich

[ALR-bishop]

You lost me on that last part Rich. Intentional hobby misinformation to prevent plagiarism ?

[Rich Klein]

Yes it's actually more common than you think: Who's Who in America way back in the day always put in a fake listing or two to catch people harvesting their lists.

You don't do that very often but it's a good way to trap people.

On a "pricing" level that's how Dr. Beckett won his lawsuit against Card Price Update Back in the 1984 as all the Bill Virdon cards were listed as a semi-star except for the 1963 card (frankly as a 1st series card it probably was a common) but CPU used his structure and that was the key factor in how he won the lawsuit back in the day.

So you throw in a very rare mistake to see if someone copies your error.

Rich

[4reals]

I also have a set of the 1973 Dean’s photo cards and it too is missing Davenport. My 73 Dean’s Winfield is currently at PSA. When it comes back I’ll be selling the set. When it comes to publications adding items that don’t exist, it also works the other way where you can’t find items catalogued that do exist.

I have these and can’t find anything about them anywhere. They are also on linen paper and are oversized. mrmopar has a Padres friend/contact that knows about them but they haven’t divulged the 411 yet.














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[jingram058]

Does anyone other than me wish the Padres would go back to these great looking uniforms? The latest are alright, but these are sharp (to me at least).

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Does anyone other than me wish the Padres would go back to these great looking uniforms? The latest are alright, but these are sharp (to me at least).

Those 1972 mustard yellow road uniforms were glorious.

[mrmopar]

Sorry about that. I meant to comment and got sidetracked. He didn't give me much more, but he did mention that there was some sort of "side" deal between the artist Bob Clark and Padres President Ballard Smith, who were friends. He could not recall, but thought that maybe they were offered in the Padre gift shop. it was not something official or run through the normal channels or approvals though and he noted that Smith never got involved in anything like it again.

When I asked about them, he did offer me a one of a kind original art piece, 20 x 32 of Bob Owchinco. If you had any interest, I could put him in touch with you. He was asking $350 + Shipping from So Cal.

Originally Posted by 4reals

I also have a set of the 1973 Dean’s photo cards and it too is missing Davenport. My 73 Dean’s Winfield is currently at PSA. When it comes back I’ll be selling the set. When it comes to publications adding items that don’t exist, it also works the other way where you can’t find items catalogued that do exist.

I have these and can’t find anything about them anywhere. They are also on linen paper and are oversized. mrmopar has a Padres friend/contact that knows about them but they haven’t divulged the 411 yet.

[4reals]

Very cool, yes, same artist and looks to be same size or close to it. I wouldn’t be interested but thank you for talking to him and getting some intel for me.


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[mrmopar]

Are yours around 20" x 32". That is pretty huge for a collectible set.

I imagined they weren't much larger than a magazine, maybe as wide, but a little taller.

Based on the players shown, it looks like 1978-79 would be a good guess for year. I'm sure that could be narrowed done with all players and the years they were with SD. I believe Perry's first Padre Topps card was 1979, so that would seem to align with not being older than 1978 and Almon left the team after the 79 season.

The ASG was in SD in 1978, so my guess would be that year.

[4reals]

Just saw this, no, mine aren’t quite that big. Mine are 10x16. 1978 is what I was figuring as well. Thanks for the info!


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[Steve D]

Originally Posted by 4reals

I also have a set of the 1973 Dean’s photo cards and it too is missing Davenport. My 73 Dean’s Winfield is currently at PSA. When it comes back I’ll be selling the set. When it comes to publications adding items that don’t exist, it also works the other way where you can’t find items catalogued that do exist.

I have these and can’t find anything about them anywhere. They are also on linen paper and are oversized. mrmopar has a Padres friend/contact that knows about them but they haven’t divulged the 411 yet.









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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you know where I can find examples of those large Padre lithos, I'd really appreciate it!!!!! I have autographed examples of the Randy Jones and Gaylord Perry, but can't recall ever seeing the others. I'm from San Diego, and grew up there in the 1960s-1970s....I'm a Padres' Diehard!!!!!

The Padres only wore that uniform style (with "San Diego" above "Padres") in 1978, and Gaylord was with the Padres only in 1978 & 1979.. He won the Cy Young Award with the Padres in 1978, along with getting his 3,000th strikeout that year. Then in 1979, he and the Padres had a falling out on his 40th birthday, and he walked out on the team. The line I remember is that he was upset that the Padres didn't give him a John Deere for his birthday, so he gave them his Dear John. I was actually at the game when he left the team.

Interestingly though, Bill Almon is depicted in his artwork, wearing the 1974-1977 style jersey, as are Winfield and Owchinko (you can tell by the collars).

Also, for the OP:

I also, have a set of the 1973 Dean's Photos Padres, and it includes 30 photos, not including Davenport.

Steve

[ledsters]

Here are the 2 Jim Davenport photos I have. 1974 and 1975
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[toppcat]

Originally Posted by mrmopar

Good example of the blind faith we place in checklists and price guides sometimes. There were a few Garvey items on the master Beckett checklist that I finally gave up on and assumed do not exist.

Chris Benjamin would put a fake entry in some checklists in his Sport-Americana Non-Sports Guides to catch plagiarists. Card Prices Update got caught nicking Beckett's lists in the 1980's and got caught due to, I believe (it was a long time ago), the same typos being used. Bert Sugar made up his own ACC numbers sometimes in the Sports Collectors Bible. Even the ACC changed numbers from one edition to the next sometimes. And that's just the overt stuff I can recall. Mistakes happen, especially as making up lists can be a repetitive, rote and boring task but intentional errors really grind my gears.