One Man’s Opinion

[oldjudge]

I think it is disgraceful that the Twins are only playing Arraez against pitchers that he hits well. He is in the running for the AL batting title and the Twins should let him go out there and win it, not rest him to try to protect him from losing it. That, and the number of walks that Aaron Judge has received in the last week shows that baseball has become a gutless game and explains why other sports have passed it in popularity.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

As a Twins fan, I am disappointed Arraez may win the cheap way by not playing. I don't know how he personally feels about it, but it wouldn't sit right with me. Earn it. Long go the ways of Ted Williams...

[Snapolit1]

Barry Bonds was intentionally walked 120 times in 2004. But please keep telling me about how unfair it is for Judge. Last time I checked he was intentionally walked 12 times.

Oh yeah, and Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases loaded.

Poor Yankees never get a break.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Re: Arraez, I seem to recall some similar shenanigans by the Mets the year Jose Reyes won the batting title.

[JollyElm]

This is what it looks like today (FWIW, he has fewer games played/at-bats than the 2nd-4th place hitters)...

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The OP is dead on. Get off the bench and earn that title!!!

[Johnny630]

Ted Williams would Insist to be in every game until the end of the season. Respect the game Luis Arraez.

[nolemmings]

He's got a seven game hitting streak with multi-hits in 4 of the last 5 and is batting .355 over that stretch. So yeah, I'm sure he was scared of a rookie pitcher who got sent down after today's game.

[nolemmings]

Luis has been ouchy with a hamstring for a little while now. This from the Pioneer Press today:

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Barry Bonds was intentionally walked 120 times in 2004. But please keep telling me about how unfair it is for Judge. Last time I checked he was intentionally walked 12 times.

Oh yeah, and Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases loaded.

Poor Yankees never get a break.

He hasn’t gotten a lot of what is scored as an intentional walk. He has been walked a lot by pitchers who won’t throw strikes. The end result is the same but the scoring is different. Let’s also not compare a juicer to a clean player. I wouldn’t care if Judge played for the Red Sox or the Astros, I would feel the same way. Baseball has become a gutless sport.

[oldjudge]

Amazing how that hammy feels better against certain pitchers.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He hasn’t gotten a lot of what is scored as an intentional walk. He has been walked a lot by pitchers who won’t throw strikes. The end result is the same but the scoring is different. Let’s also not compare a juicer to a clean player. I wouldn’t care if Judge played for the Red Sox or the Astros, I would feel the same way. Baseball has become a gutless sport.

Agreed Jay. Judge isn't getting intentionally walked a lot but he is getting unintentionally walked all the time. It's the same thing. He's getting crap to swing at because of gutless managers and pitchers that don't want to be in the record books as the guy that gave up number 62.

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Agreed Jay. Judge isn't getting intentionally walked a lot but he is getting unintentionally walked all the time. It's the same thing. He's getting crap to swing at because of gutless managers and pitchers that don't want to be in the record books as the guy that gave up number 62.

Gee he's only struck out 173 times. Guess they were all bad pitches.

[skelly423]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He hasn’t gotten a lot of what is scored as an intentional walk. He has been walked a lot by pitchers who won’t throw strikes. The end result is the same but the scoring is different. Let’s also not compare a juicer to a clean player. I wouldn’t care if Judge played for the Red Sox or the Astros, I would feel the same way. Baseball has become a gutless sport.

Bonds had plenty of unintentional intentional walks where the catcher didn't hold the arm out, but there were four pitches that never came within a foot of the plate. Juiced or not, what Bonds faced was orders of magnitude worse than the treatment Judge is getting from pitchers.

[ALBB]

Like someone else said..been going on in baseball for a very long time.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He hasn’t gotten a lot of what is scored as an intentional walk. He has been walked a lot by pitchers who won’t throw strikes. The end result is the same but the scoring is different. Let’s also not compare a juicer to a clean player. I wouldn’t care if Judge played for the Red Sox or the Astros, I would feel the same way. Baseball has become a gutless sport.

Yeah cause they never pitched around binds without intentionally walking him. What bs. I am loving the new rational Steve. Not sure where he was years ago but he is certainly accurate here for calling out this bs. Oh poor Aaron crap.

[nolemmings]

As for Home Run records--- Omedetou gozaimasu Munetaka Murakami (with apologies if I have the wrong expression or grammar)

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...egular-season/

[cammb]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He hasn’t gotten a lot of what is scored as an intentional walk. He has been walked a lot by pitchers who won’t throw strikes. The end result is the same but the scoring is different. Let’s also not compare a juicer to a clean player. I wouldn’t care if Judge played for the Red Sox or the Astros, I would feel the same way. Baseball has become a gutless sport.

That is what you call baseball. What planet do you live on when you don,t pitch carefully around a slugger. You want your pitchers to throw fast balls down the middle?

[oldjudge]

How do you not play Judge today and give him a shot at the triple crown? The Yankees have a first round bye so he will get plenty of rest whether he plays today or not. The only reason I could see is if he has a minor injury but there is no report of anything like that.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Barry Bonds was intentionally walked 120 times in 2004. But please keep telling me about how unfair it is for Judge. Last time I checked he was intentionally walked 12 times.

Oh yeah, and Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases loaded.

Poor Yankees never get a break.

+1!!

[Fred]

Speaking of Ted Williams. He didn't sit the last day of the season in 1941. He was at .3995 (round up to .400). He could have sat the last day but said he didn't want to back into .400. Last day there was a double header and he went 6 for 8 and didn't back into the .400 average.

With Arraez, if he's legitimately hurt, then you really can't hold it against him. What would be really cool is Judge just started a mini hot streak and won the batting title outright. It'd be one thing if he was intentionally walked every at bat, but that's not what's happening. Perhaps Triple Crown is on his mind and he's pressing a little bit. He's got a few games to turn it around. Cross your fingers (even if you're a Yankee hater, you gotta like the kid). Maybe in that time he'll get that 62nd HR and a triple crown. If he doesn't it won't be that bad, tied with Maris for the Yankee season HR record is pretty cool. 61 clean round trippers. Not a bad year.

[nolemmings]

I hope Judge hits #62 tomorrow, and gets 2 or more hits in the remaining games, putting the pressure on Arraez. Despite some of my harshness in this thread, I do not root against the Yankees or any Yankee-- not even Boggs, Clemens and Damon, who I consider to be psuedo-Yankees.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

As a Twins fan, I am disappointed Arraez may win the cheap way by not playing. I don't know how he personally feels about it, but it wouldn't sit right with me. Earn it. Long go the ways of Ted Williams...

Then you are not a Twins fan. How can you feel disappointment that a member of your team may win the batting title over a dreaded Yankee. Ugh!

[todeen]

Twins certainly under performed this year. I wonder if he is on the hot seat?

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[scotgreb]

With all due respect to Jay, batting title shenanigans have been a part of baseball since the stat was invented. Maybe the most manipulated was by two of the all-time greats, Nap Lajoie and Ty Cobb in 1910. It's a pretty interesting story if you care to have a look.

Scott

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Didn't Ted Williams play the last game or two even though his 400 Batting Average could have been jeopardy ??

[scotgreb]

With two games left in the 1910 season, Ty Cobb was leading Nap Lajoie in the batting race .385 to .376. At stake was a new Chalmers Model 30 awarded to the winner. Lajoie and the Indians were at Sportsman’s Park for a double-header against the Browns to close out the season. Meanwhile, Cobb skipped the Tigers’ final two contests to protect his average, claiming an eye ailment.

Before the doubleheader began, Browns’ manager Jack O’Connor ordered rookie third baseman Red Corriden to play in shallow left field, telling Corriden that “one of Lajoie’s line drives might kill you.” Seeing a chance to fatten his average, Lajoie bunted six times down the third base line for six hits. He also added a triple and an infield single, giving him eight hits in nine trips. His lone blemish was reaching base on an error by shortstop Bobby Wallace on his last at-bat.

Doing whatever they could to help Lajoie defeat Cobb, O’Connor and Coach Harry Howell then tried to bribe the official scorer, E.V. Parrish, with a suit of clothes if he changed his call to a hit. Upholding baseball honor, Parrish declined. In spite of all this, Cobb was still the apparent winner by less than one percentage point, .385069 to .384095.

But wait! The next day, unofficial final batting averages in different papers, including The Sporting News, declared Lajoie the winner by anywhere from one to three points. Cobb’s fans howled, led by Tiger president Frank Navin. But many in baseball who detested Cobb were delighted with Lajoie’s apparent victory. Eight of Cobb’s Detroit teammates even sent a telegram to Lajoie, congratulating him on the batting title.

The resulting outcry triggered an investigation by American League president Ban Johnson, who declared Cobb the winner. In a great public relations move, Chalmers made both Cobb and Lajoie fans happy by awarding each player a car. At Johnson’s insistence, the Browns fired O’Connor and Howell and both were informally banned from baseball for life.

The story doesn’t end there. More than 70 years later, in 1981, The Sporting News historian Paul MacFarlane discovered Cobb was mistakenly credited with two extra hits during the season. Take those away and the tile goes to Lajoie with a .384 average to Cobb’s .383. However, then-Commissioner Bowie Kuhn refused to take Cobb’s 1910 batting title away, thereby preserving his string of nine consecutive American League batting titles.

So who won the 1910 batting title? Baseball Reference says Lajoie, Wikipedia says Cobb. So you tell me!

You gotta love baseball

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[z28jd]

Judge is only playing because he's going for the home run record. The Yankees place in the playoffs has been set, so typically the stars get rested during this time. Otherwise he would probably be in the lead right now because he hasn't hit anything but air in the last two games. He only looks like the hero in the batting race because he wants a home run record he already owns with the tie.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

With two games left in the 1910 season, Ty Cobb was leading Nap Lajoie in the batting race .385 to .376. At stake was a new Chalmers Model 30 awarded to the winner. Lajoie and the Indians were at Sportsman’s Park for a double-header against the Browns to close out the season. Meanwhile, Cobb skipped the Tigers’ final two contests to protect his average, claiming an eye ailment.

Before the doubleheader began, Browns’ manager Jack O’Connor ordered rookie third baseman Red Corriden to play in shallow left field, telling Corriden that “one of Lajoie’s line drives might kill you.” Seeing a chance to fatten his average, Lajoie bunted six times down the third base line for six hits. He also added a triple and an infield single, giving him eight hits in nine trips. His lone blemish was reaching base on an error by shortstop Bobby Wallace on his last at-bat.

Doing whatever they could to help Lajoie defeat Cobb, O’Connor and Coach Harry Howell then tried to bribe the official scorer, E.V. Parrish, with a suit of clothes if he changed his call to a hit. Upholding baseball honor, Parrish declined. In spite of all this, Cobb was still the apparent winner by less than one percentage point, .385069 to .384095.

But wait! The next day, unofficial final batting averages in different papers, including The Sporting News, declared Lajoie the winner by anywhere from one to three points. Cobb’s fans howled, led by Tiger president Frank Navin. But many in baseball who detested Cobb were delighted with Lajoie’s apparent victory. Eight of Cobb’s Detroit teammates even sent a telegram to Lajoie, congratulating him on the batting title.

The resulting outcry triggered an investigation by American League president Ban Johnson, who declared Cobb the winner. In a great public relations move, Chalmers made both Cobb and Lajoie fans happy by awarding each player a car. At Johnson’s insistence, the Browns fired O’Connor and Howell and both were informally banned from baseball for life.

The story doesn’t end there. More than 70 years later, in 1981, The Sporting News historian Paul MacFarlane discovered Cobb was mistakenly credited with two extra hits during the season. Take those away and the tile goes to Lajoie with a .384 average to Cobb’s .383. However, then-Commissioner Bowie Kuhn refused to take Cobb’s 1910 batting title away, thereby preserving his string of nine consecutive American League batting titles.

So who won the 1910 batting title? Baseball Reference says Lajoie, Wikipedia says Cobb. So you tell me!

You gotta love baseball

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I love the attempted bribe with clothing!!!!

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