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1) "I just don't believe he's an all time great" 2) TWICE parsing the word "phenomenal" These are YOUR takes not mine, and they are indefensible. By definition, maintaining pitching power for 25+ years is phenomenal, "extraordinary". It is beyond ordinary. And again, I'm no Nolan Ryan homer. His posters weren't on my walls, I didn't pretend to be him while playing neighborhood ball, etc. You posted a series of remarks which clearly were meant to downplay his achievements and (predictably) zoomed in on an error I made at 6am while typing. SEVEN no hitters and 5700+ strikeouts aren't an error, partner. Since you are incredibly sensitive regarding this issue, I am NOT suggesting Ryan was "the best". He was fun to watch and put up some eye popping numbers over a remarkable career. Nuff said, the horse is dead. Trent King |
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2. This point is beyond ridiculous, Calling something phenomenal is an opinion, not a fact. A poster saidI a 112 ERA+ is phenomenal. I disagreed. Hes not wrong, Im not wrong. Its opinion. |
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For the tenth time, this did not happen. I said a 112 ERA+ is phenomenal in the context of one of the longest careers in baseball history. I specified this again and again while you keep alleging I made a different argument. I get it, it’s easier to argue against what you would have preferred I said. Phenomenal is an opinion, we can disagree, but you would seem more reasonable if you stopped lying about what was said.
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Tommy John basically accomplished the same career stat 26 years and 111 ERA+ and he can't even get in the HOF. Is that phenomenal? Or amazing? Or unheard of? |
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I already answered paragraph 2 earlier about John. I have no idea why you think “unheard of” is a synonym for “phenomenal”. I already linked you to the dictionary earlier. Literally no player in history had a career that is “unheard of”. This is an absurd red herring. I get it. Nolan is overrated. I’ve annoyed a few people here saying it too. But I don’t see a reasonable argument that he wasn’t phenomenal. Ripken, Jeter, they are also overrated and had phenomenal careers You haven’t made an argument, you just claim I said things I didn’t say and then say this statement you invented is wrong. We can debate where the boundary should be. We can debate his career. But you just keep making things up and claiming I said things I did not say. It’s a public transcript, we can all read it. Argue on the strength of your own argument instead of inventing arguments to argue against that were not made by anyone. |
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How many no-hitters did Ryan throw, 7? Who's next behind him? How many 1-hitters did Ryan throw? I don't know, just asking. My dad, who loved baseball, thought Dizzy Dean (before he had his toe broken by Earl Averill), Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller and Nolan Ryan were the best pitchers he ever saw. That's good enough for me.
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This record is about as unbeatable as Cy Young's 511 Wins now. Pretty sure we'll still have this one in the record book in 2122 |
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Koufax is next with 4 no-hitters and four other pitchers have 3 no-hitters (Cy Young, Larry Corcoran, Bob Feller, and Justin Verlander). For Nolan Ryan and the other question you asked: 7 no-hitters 12 one-hitters 18 two-hitters https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-...tats-and-facts Last edited by BCauley; 06-01-2022 at 08:24 AM. Reason: Add line for pitchers with no-hitters. |
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