Grading using artificial intelligence

[maniac_73]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'd be a poor data scientist if I didn't also point out this this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and if so, it wouldn't be the first time I was proven wrong by someone more creative and intelligent than myself who found a new method of solving a difficult problem that changes the game for everyone. That said, I'd gladly wager a lot of money against it.

I think you are right. It technically can be done but the insane cost and resources to develop are not worth the ROI like Self Driving cars.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

I think you are right. It technically can be done but the insane cost and resources to develop are not worth the ROI like Self Driving cars.

Yes, you could definitely write algorithms that could assign grades to cards and detect alterations. I just don't think the output of such models would be even remotely accurate enough to be all that helpful or useful in the real world. Would be happy to engage in a discussion with the genamint guys if they wanted to offer a rebuttal though. Also worth noting is that there are other ML approaches that could be used, but they'd all be subject to the same challenges.

There's a reason why PSA isn't currently using this technology to grade cards though despite having made a significant investment in it several months ago.

My suspicion is that they're simply taking scans in high def and with other light spectrums like UV and writing software to detect card stock that glows in blacklight, and that fingerprints cards and runs them against their database of existing cards to see if they have a match. Then those cards can be flagged for further investigation by the grading team. But this isn't machine learning, and it's certainly not "AI". I suspect they're just being rather liberal with the term "AI grading" because it's a big buzzword these days and it sounds good in a marketing campaign.

[mrreality68]

I nominate Snowman to be the Official AI Representative of Net54baseball Forum!!!

Anyone want to 2nd the nomination

[hcv123]

I was guilty of loving and getting excited about the concept so much that I hadn't taken the time to understand it (nor would I have known even where to begin if I wanted to). Your explanation was an incredible, sad and necessary reality check. I suppose we'll see where things go from here.

[Case12]

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[Case12]

Check out Malcom Gladwells book, 'Blink'. He wrote "The Tipping Point" also. He makes a good argument that scientific analysis is completely different from human analysis. And that even cursory expert human anaysis is almost always better and correct more often (key is expert).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I was guilty of loving and getting excited about the concept so much that I hadn't taken the time to understand it (nor would I have known even where to begin if I wanted to). Your explanation was an incredible, sad and necessary reality check. I suppose we'll see where things go from here.

I think most people are in the same boat, even the executives at Collectors Universe. They just see "AI" everywhere they look these days and see all the brilliant breakthroughs being made in other industries and assume it's coming to every "theater near you" for every industry, including theirs. It takes a lot of research and dedication to understand how it actually works though, and what sort of problems are and aren't good candidates for the application of AI & ML.

Originally Posted by Case12

Check out Malcom Gladwells book, 'Blink'. He wrote "The Tipping Point" also. He makes a good argument that scientific analysis is completely different from human analysis. And that even cursory expert human anaysis is almost always better and correct more often (key is expert).

Both are excellent books. Blink in particular. I love the story about the tennis coach who can predict a fault serve the moment a player begins their swing, before the ball hits the net with alarming accuracy, but doesn't know why or how he is able to predict it. He just "knows" based on his experience.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I nominate Snowman to be the Official AI Representative of Net54baseball Forum!!!

Anyone want to 2nd the nomination

Second.