Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[Dpeck100]

In December of 18 this was a hot topic and then the market went on a 41% run and it was never mentioned again.

There may be some correlation at the ultra high end but I don't believe it exists as much as many think for most cards. In my view employment trends are much more important as cash flow is king.

One of the reasons the card market is so hot is that many smaller time investors can enter the market with very limited funds and actually participate. Whether one likes Gary Vee or doesn't he signaled last year that the sneaker heads were going to take their fast cash and bring it to cards and they did and basketball cards have exploded. Not just doubling but moving higher by four fold and six fold and even more. Whether this is a sustainable trend is debatable but it has happened and the market is simply scorching hot. Every segment has gotten hot as of late and I think that many people use trading cards for investment purposes and since the barriers to entry are so low and there is action at every price point it attracts all kinds.

I have routinely said I have never gotten even close to investing in anything that on a percentage basis has kept pace with my wrestling cards and this is just a tiny niche part of the market and had one taken the same dollars and put them in Lebron, or Jordan, or some other mega star they too would have seen exponential returns. This appeal isn't going away.

If the market decline accurately predicts a longer term economic decline where jobs are lost and there is true distress in the economy than disposable income will decline and this will naturally affect cards. That said a selling stampede in a wildly overbought market would generally be viewed as just a sharp correction and the probabilities still suggest the economy is sound and therefore cards will be fine.

There has been tremendous headline risk in the card market in the past year and yet it has done nothing to slow it down and it has actually accelerated during these events and as I said when this first surfaced it wouldn't affect the market and it hasn't and won't.

There is tremendous enthusiasm for cards and with modern stars like Trout and Zion and established legends like Lebron, Brady, and Jeter seeing eye popping auction results the game is far from over.

There are many that despise the word investment when it comes to their beloved hobby where they opened nickel packs and put them in their bike spokes but for the overwhelming percentage of participants they won't simply keep throwing their hard earned money into a hobby where they lose money. There are countless collectors that have seen continued appreciation in their invested or allocated dollars and it makes it much easier to keep doing this. If a nice vacation is 5k for most you probably aren't excited to spend 5k on cards and watch them turn into 1k when you could have had a ton of fun using those resources. Instead they turned into 10k and you get to admire and cherish them and have pride of ownership.

I am bullish. I remain bullish as I have the entire time and baring a victory by someone who wants to fundamentally change our entire system we will all be fine I believe.

Good luck with your collecting or collecting/investing. I don't view either as bad.

[rdwyer]

Can I get Corona Virus from a card I bought on BST?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Can I get Corona Virus from a card I bought on BST?

Depends on the seller. And if it was PSA graded.

[Brian Van Horn]

This should cheer you up:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stock-mar...220900734.html

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

This should cheer you up:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stock-mar...220900734.html

Roubini was a one hit wonder. He has been wrong for 11 years in a row. Maybe he will get it right again but he has been spinning this same record the entire time.

Edit: Haha. I can't believe what I just read. He has lost it. By the way he is an eccentric guy with molds of vagina's in his New York apartment. His presidential prediction is based on hope and not reality.

[Johnny630]

No

[JustinD]

Temporarily- unquestionably yes

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Whether one likes Gary Vee or doesn't he signaled last year that the sneaker heads were going to take their fast cash and bring it to cards and they did and basketball cards have exploded.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Like you said, every area in the hobby is really hot right now. Your PSA 9 Hogan was under a hundred bucks at one time and now it's going for about five grand, right? I have also shipped so many vintage hockey cards to America. Americans want the rookies of Bobby Hull, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, etc. I think what happened is that baseball cards became so expensive, so collectors started putting their money into other sports.

Nice to see you posting, btw.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I'm not sure I agree with this. Like you said, every area in the hobby is really hot right now. Your PSA 9 Hogan was under a hundred bucks at one time and now it's going for about five grand, right? I have also shipped so many vintage hockey cards to America. Americans want the rookies of Bobby Hull, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, etc. I think what happened is that baseball cards became so expensive, so collectors started putting their money into other sports.

Nice to see you posting, btw.

I am not suggesting they are the sole cause for prices expanding. If I wasn't clear about this I apologize. What I am saying is the number market participants expanded and these sneaker heads are part of it. They are more speculators than collectors and you are seeing a lot of speculative activity.

I wasn't informed of this segment of collectibles but I have two clients with sons in college and it is all the rage. They are signing up for fresh released shoes on lists and then flipping them on Stock Ex for five times the price before they even own them. The fast money drives this crowd and obviously cards can exchange hands for more immediately.

My view is there is renewed interest in cards and it is spreading.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am not suggesting they are the sole cause for prices expanding. If I wasn't clear about this I apologize. What I am saying is the number market participants expanded and these sneaker heads are part of it. They are more speculators than collectors and you are seeing a lot of speculative activity.

Alright, got you.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Alright, got you.

I think these same folks are what is fueling the rise because they aren't afraid of the downside because they are so used to winning on these shoes.

Many collectors will simply pass on something once it was risen in their view too much. Wait for a dip.

These are momentum investors willing to buy because the price is expanding.

[Fred]

Honestly, I hope EVERYTHING takes a huge dump in price and the card hobby (not business) sees an overdue correction. Wouldn't it be nice to collect what you like without worrying about what a card market downturn will do to your collections value? Holy crap, it's only frigging card board... someone should start a thread called "when it was a hobby".

[Leon]

Nowadays if you wait a day or two the stock market will change quite a bit. I think it does affect prices somewhat.

[LincolnVT]

If you have money to invest, I feel that high end real property (cards / memorabilia / gold / silver) is currently a better investment than the market.