Best Starting 9 in a single set?

[rats60]

1958 Topps
P Koufax
C Berra
1B Musial
2B Mazeroski
3B Mathews
SS Banks
LF Williams
CF Mays
RF Clemente

Unfortunately, 1958 Topps is the only set in the 40s-50s where all the stars have cards.

[rats60]

1973 Topps would be another good one
P Seaver
C Bench
1B Aaron
2B Morgan
3B Schmidt
SS Aparicio
LF Yastrzemski
CF Mays
RF Clemente

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rats60

1958 Topps
P Koufax
C Berra
1B Musial
2B Mazeroski
3B Mathews
SS Banks
LF Williams
CF Mays
RF Clemente

Unfortunately, 1958 Topps is the only set in the 40s-50s where all the stars have cards.

This is my favorite non modern group if you lose Clemente and put Aaron in RF.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This is my favorite non modern group if you lose Clemente and put Aaron in RF.

Yeah, it's a subject Rats60 and I and others have been through many times, but personally I just cannot see Clemente over Aaron. I would probably take Nellie Fox over Mazeroski too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just for fun a current team
1b Pujols
2b Altuve
SS Tatis? if too soon, hmmm... Bogaerts?
3B Cabrera (cheating a bit)
OF Trout, Betts, Harper?
C Posey or Molina
P Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, Cole, Greinke

[brianp-beme]

I like the restrictions of a tiny set, such as the 10 card 1921 W551, to perform a little mental placement gymnastics:


P - Walter Johnson

C - Casey Stengel - No MLB games as Catcher, but managed, so almost the same

1B - Wally Pipp

2B - George Sisler - Played 2 games at 2B in 1917

3B - Frank Baker

SS - Dave Bancroft

LF - Ty Cobb - Played a total of 36 games in LF during career

CF - Tris Speaker

RF - Babe Ruth


Odd man out, but waiting in the wings to relieve Johnson when his arm turns to rubber - Relief pitcher Jesse Barnes - 110 games as non-starter


Brian

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, it's a subject Rats60 and I and others have been through many times, but personally I just cannot see Clemente over Aaron. I would probably take Nellie Fox over Mazeroski too.

I have personally met Clemente and Aaron. And, Clemente is my guy.

Aaron at a BB Show signing session.

Clemente at Bradenton Field during Spring Training 1971. Our seats were near the RF foul pole. Every time Roberto
came out to his field position, he would devote some time talking with us. What a gracious and friendly guy he was.

GOD Bless his soul.


TED Z

T206 Reference
.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I have personally met Clemente and Aaron. And, Clemente is my guy.

Aaron at a BB Show signing session.

Clemente at Bradenton Field during Spring Training 1971. Our seats were near the RF foul pole. Every time Roberto
came out to his field position, he would devote some time talking with us. What a gracious and friendly guy he was.

GOD Bless his soul.


TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Yes, and he was a better right fielder than Aaron too by some margin, but overall, it's not even close. E.g. 143 vs. 94 WAR. And yes, I know Clemente had a couple of end of career seasons left in him where he would have added a little.

[terjung]

It would be fun to see the results if there were some sort of simulation that could be run with these teams.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by terjung

It would be fun to see the results if there were some sort of simulation that could be run with these teams.

Maybe we could do a Stratomatic tournament, or Out Of The Park, or something like that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by terjung

It would be fun to see the results if there were some sort of simulation that could be run with these teams.

Those farmers of yesteryear wouldn't stand a chance.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes, and he was a better right fielder than Aaron too by some margin, but overall, it's not even close. E.g. 143 vs. 94 WAR. And yes, I know Clemente had a couple of end of career seasons left in him where he would have added a little.

Clemente played in the most difficult stadium to hit home runs in for most of his career. Aaron played in the easiest stadium to hit home runs for half his career and still needed the Braves to move the fences in to help him. I would put Aaron at 1b on teams after Stan Musial retired, but I would never put him in RF.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

Clemente played in the most difficult stadium to hit home runs in for most of his career. Aaron played in the easiest stadium to hit home runs for half his career and still needed the Braves to move the fences in to help him. I would put Aaron at 1b on teams after Stan Musial retired, but I would never put him in RF.

Does that really explain 750 HR vs. 240? Come on now. Or 2300 RBI vs. 1300? Aaron was a much greater slugger, there can be no serious dispute.

BTW Aaron hit something like 370 HR on the road -- 50 percent more than Clemente's total output.