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Old 09-19-2020, 01:28 AM
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Default My New Honus Wagner Rookie!

First, let me say right off, no, I didn't purchase a T206 Honus Wagner. What I did pickup, however, predates the T206 by at least a decade *and* is significantly rarer! This was definitely an Indiana Jones moment for me.



Let me introduce you to my newest piece: The 1899-00 M101-1 Sporting News Honus Wagner Rookie! I have only seen six others up for sale in auction houses this century, and half of them have significant amounts of it cut away. This is one of the finest examples of this premium insert to ever hit the market!



The funny thing is, I didn't even know this existed last month! I recently fell head over heals for the 1909-13 M101-2 Sporting News Supplements (the successor of the M101-1s), and was able to pick up my three favorites from the entire set. I love the sepia tone, the way the photographer captured each player, and the large format. They are fantastic conversation pieces and display beautifully.



With as rare as the M101-2s are, the M101-1s are much rarer. They were created during the "dead period" of baseball cards. When the ATC (American Tobacco Company) formed in around 1890, there really wasn't a need to create any cards for advertising purposes, so with as wild as collecting was in the late 1880s, baseball cards nearly disappeared for a couple decades until 1909, aside from a couple issues. The M101-1 set was created right in the middle of this time period.

I was looking online through some people's Honus Wagner pieces in their collections, and noticed someone posted the Wagner rookie. It felt like I was casting my eyes on the Mona Lisa for the first time! How in the world could a private individual have something so magnificent as an Honus Wagner rookie - from the 19th century?! Shouldn't that be in a museum somewhere???

Merely knowing that Wagner had a 19th century issue rookie was thrilling to me. It fuses two key time periods - a time where the likes of Cap Anson and King Kelly ruled the diamond, and a time when Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth were household names. Honus Wagner was considered the best player on the planet before Cobb entered the scene, and this piece feels like it gives these two time periods some semblance of continuity. I always think of Wagner as an early 20th century guy, leading the Pirates to victory over Ty Cobb's Tigers in the 1910 World Series.

I reached out to the owner, and within a week, we were able to make a deal - the same time when Wagner's PSA 1 T206 broke a sales record again. Here it is, posed next to my Candy Wagner, the 1910 E90-2 Honus Wagner.



If you don't know anything about the Candy Wagner, here is a little information for you.



The E90-2 Candy Wagner is my favorite card of his by a long shot. I love that it utilizes the same Carl Horner portrait that the T206 has, and am a big sucker for the beautiful bright blue background. I was extremely excited to display it with the Wagner rookie. Unbeknownst to me until I started writing this article, I found out that the date I purchased the E90-2 Candy Wagner was exactly 120 years after the release date of the 1899 M101-1 Sporting News Honus Wagner! August 19th, 1899 - August 19th 2019! Talk about a connection!

Shown below are a few shots of how the Wagner rookie displays with some of my other large format pieces such as my 1888 Allen & Ginter album with set, 1909-13 M101-2s and part of my 1889 A35 Goodwin set (in case you missed it, these feature some of my custom work you can see by clicking here.)



The more I get into displaying my collection, the more I realize how impressive larger format pieces are and how much I love them. They present beautifully and I get so much more enjoyment out of them than I do with many cards that just sit in a box.



To think this cabinet once held the world's largest unique Jose Canseco baseball card collection, and later, a bunch of 1980's wax boxes. My, how times change!

So, there you have it, my 1899 Honus Wagner rookie card ... errr ... rookie While I still am dumbfounded that this piece isn't sitting in a museum, I'm super thankful to have it in my own personal collection to enjoy. It helps me to pretend I have a small museum of baseball history all to myself! It makes me want to party like it's 1899.

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Old 09-19-2020, 05:27 AM
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Congrats!

The M101-1 and E90-2 make a great display!

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Congrats and great display. Always like your passion, Tanner.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:20 AM
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Great looking piece. Congratulations on the addition to your collection.

If the National Copper Plate was issued first in 1898-99, wouldn’t that be considered his “rookie?”
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:30 AM
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Thank you guys! I feel like I need to approach things differently when I post here.

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Great looking piece. Congratulations on the addition to your collection.

If the National Copper Plate was issued first in 1898-99, wouldn’t that be considered his “rookie?”
Thanks! Many consider the NCPC as his rookie also (and the dates are not 100% clear). So you could say one is rookie 1a and the other is rookie 1b.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:31 AM
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Congrats and great display. Always like your passion, Tanner.
I really appreciate that Leon It is way different posting here about vintage than anywhere else. Everywhere else I post, I almost take a teaching stance, to help educate & spread vintage awareness. Here, I am a student!
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Great pick-up on the M101-1 Wagner. I was fortunate enough to own two of those over the years. I believe that I was also the first to have the M101-1's graded and encapsulated by Beckett back around 2010 as they were the only TPG at the time with holders large enough for them to fit.

This is a wonderful set, in conjunction with the National Copper Plate series, for collecting HOF rookies as it represents the earliest nationally distributed paper issue for numerous HOF'ers in addition to Honus:

Jack Chesbro
Hugh Jennings
Nap Lajoie
Fred Clarke
Joe Kelley **
Jimmy Collins **
John McGraw **
Willie Keeler **
Frank Chance
Elmer Flick **
Joe McGinnity
Rube Waddell
Bobby Wallace **
Vic Willis **
Cy Young

** Also appears in the 1898-99 National Copper Plate series

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Old 09-19-2020, 09:23 AM
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Great pick-up on the M101-1 Wagner. I was fortunate enough to own two of those over the years. I believe that I was also the first to have the M101-1's graded and encapsulated by Beckett back around 2010 as they were the only TPG at the time with holders large enough for them to fit.

This is a wonderful set, in conjunction with the National Copper Plate series, for collecting HOF rookies as it represents the earliest nationally distributed paper issue for numerous HOF'ers in addition to Honus:

Jack Chesbro
Hugh Jennings
Nap Lajoie
Fred Clarke
Joe Kelley **
Jimmy Collins **
John McGraw **
Willie Keeler **
Frank Chance
Elmer Flick **
Joe McGinnity
Rube Waddell
Bobby Wallace **
Vic Willis **
Cy Young

** Also appears in the 1898-99 National Copper Plate series
The first time I heard of them, I heard that Nap Lajoie fella was in the M101-1 set as an 1899 issue. I nearly fell out of my chair. I had no idea such a stud from the T206 set had a 19th century rookie. You can imagine my shock when I found the Wagner for the first time
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:38 AM
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The first time I heard of them, I heard that Nap Lajoie fella was in the M101-1 set as an 1899 issue. I nearly fell out of my chair. I had no idea such a stud from the T206 set had a 19th century rookie. You can imagine my shock when I found the Wagner for the first time
That's absolutely gorgeous Tanner, congratulations!
Great write-up too.
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Congrats on a very awesome and early Wagner piece.
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Very nice
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Beautiful premium, there. Now where can I get one of those gold statuettes?
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Terrific tanner
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:55 PM
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Thanks guys!

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Beautiful premium, there. Now where can I get one of those gold statuettes?
LOL! I dunno, but if you ever find one, let me know
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How long until you sell it to fund your next holy grail quest? I remember your 1952 Mantle purchase/post just to see you list the card on EBay a few months later?
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How long until you sell it to fund your next holy grail quest? I remember your 1952 Mantle purchase/post just to see you list the card on EBay a few months later?
Maybe tomorrow? Haha... in all seriousness, I never know, but have a feeling this is sticking with me for a while FYI I couldn't go through with selling the Mantle, and took it down shortly after. It is still with me, and I have no plans to let it go
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If you decide to sell it, I am sure we can figure something out.
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If you decide to sell it, I am sure we can figure something out.
Sounds good, thank you sir!
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It makes me want to party like it's 1899.
Party on!

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