T206: Real or Fake?

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Posted By: Aron

Here's a T206 Wagner being auctioned as a reprint.

Among other things the seller notes:

"...The card does feel old and “used”, but the print seems to be kind of fuzzy, meaning it doesn’t exactly look like the original printing...
I am not selling this card to be authentic. I am just selling the card, and letting the buyer be the judge of it."

I am, of course, highly skeptical that this could be a real card. The images are nonetheless, (at least to me), compelling.

The seller, also, has sold ungraded vintage cards recently, which, along with this card, he supposedly purchased from some college students holding a yard sale. The Goudeys, at least, appeared to be genuine. (Based on, granted, my limited experience with vintage cards.)

I'd be interested in feedback onthis card from others.

Thanks,
Aron

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Take back what I said, as I don't want to give advice on how to make better fakes to people I don't know. Sorry.

If you want my opinion on the card as a whole, it appears to be a homemade fake.

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Posted By: joe

I think this card only comes with the factory 25 back. This one has factory 30.

Joe

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Do you have a link to the auction? Rob 

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: Anonymous

I have seen that wagner before. if you look, the pin hole doesnt go through the card. the back is a real t206 card. and looks like someone pasted a fake copy onto the front. i have all wagners that have been graded on my pc, and there is one that has all the same features. ITS A FAKE! stay away. the seller on yahoo is selling it for 50 bucks, dont buy it

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Posted By: zach

Its sad, I have to agree with David. I will no longer give info out on how to spot fakes unless it's someone I know. Too many scammers just wanted to know how to better their cards. Sorry to the poster, I mean no offense by this and am not saying you are a scam artist in anyway, but I dont know you good enough.

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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

How many fake Wagners get auctioned as possbile real cards in a years time? One of these days I'm going to crap my pants when I hear that someone actually sold a real one for $23 on ebay....

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Forgers look for collectors who think that way ("If I buy 200 Wagner reprints, it only takes one real one"). Advanced collectors don't think that way. Even 'if there's a calculable chance it's real,' experienced buyers won't pay big bucks for an item unless they are conviced the item is real. If that means they forfeit the chance to win the "it's possible" lottery, that's fine.

If someone buys all the $50 Wagners on Yahoo, including this one, it's his money-- rather, it was his money.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Leon, can we just put a moritorium on all these fake Wagner threads. If anything sround has been beaten to death and people are sick tired of it and never want to see it again, it would be this topic.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

How about this, Jay? A thread about a T206 Wagner can be started if the Wagner is real.