TPG - Scrapps Tobacco

[darkhorse9]

Since there is now pretty solid evidence that there was no such thing as "Scrapps Tobacco" and the cards identified as those were actually issued by H.D. Smith & Co., will PSA reslab those cards with the corrected manufacturer?

Do other TPG houses still use Scrapps or do they now do H.D. Smith?

[bxb]

I've wondered the same thing.

But as a collector with an average budget, I'm waiting on the sidelines until PSA lowers their prices before I send in anything.

[Jay Wolt]

Just saw this on eBay, still listed as "scrapps tobacco" in their newest slab

[jcmtiger]

Just sold these. Identified as 1888 Scrapps Tobacco.

[Al C.risafulli]

As the guy who discovered the H.D. Smith thing, this frustrates me to no end.

-Al

[darkhorse9]

I'm communicating with SGC and seem to be getting a bit of resistance. They don't seem to want to answer the question about relabeling a Scrapps Card as H.D. Smith & Co. unless I send my card into them.

Seems like an easy question. If I send it in, will you label it as H.D. Smith & Co. or not.

[Republicaninmass]

Sgc is now the biggest group of boobs on the planet. They sent back my cleared marked and chosen on their dropdown 1952 gray backs/Canadian and said the no longer label them. ReA had a group labeled by them last month. They didn't even know what I was referring to when I showed them their drop down menu, their email saying they wouldn't identify them, and the REA auction with new labels that clearly say gray back. Filed and won with my credit card. I wouldnt send them my excrement to slab.


Choice if Net 54, unless psa slabs it instead

[insidethewrapper]

Here's letterhead from the H>D> Smith Co from 1920

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

As the guy who discovered the H.D. Smith thing, this frustrates me to no end.

-Al

+1

I didn't discover anything but I wish the TPG's would quit calling things "Hand cut" when they never were and aren't.
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[ksfarmboy]

I always thought the Scapps part referred to the fact they were made to be put in scrap books. When did the Scapps become part of tobacco?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by ksfarmboy

I always thought the Scapps part referred to the fact they were made to be put in scrap books. When did the Scapps become part of tobacco?

I thought it referred to the type of tobacco.

Scrap: A category in the U.S. Department of Agriculture's grading system denoting tobacco that has been broken into small pieces; scrap does not include any portion of the tobacco stems. Scrap results from handling tobacco during processing or manufacturing, whereas broken leaf results from handling that occurs prior to processing.

[ksfarmboy]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I thought it referred to the type of tobacco.

Scrap: A category in the U.S. Department of Agriculture's grading system denoting tobacco that has been broken into small pieces; scrap does not include any portion of the tobacco stems. Scrap results from handling tobacco during processing or manufacturing, whereas broken leaf results from handling that occurs prior to processing.

Yes but the Victorian trade cards and different litho pieces were also referred to as scraps. I’ve went through several of these Victorian scrapbooks and have alway heard the pieces described as scraps. I just wondered if someone had made the wrong conclusion that these were the scrap tobacco instead of the term scraps for scrapbook.

[felada]

Rob was the one that started the rumor about scraps tobacco

http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards...hiteDeacon.htm


It was in a 2005 auction catalog that Rob Lifson of Robert Edward Auctions came clean about the origin of the “Scrapps Tobacco” name. “The responsibility for this erroneous attribution, we must admit, falls squarely on the shoulders of Robert Edward Auctions’ President Robert Lifson.” Lifson then proceeds to explain that in 1974, while working on the Sports Collectors Bible, he was fact-checking with hobby pioneer Dr. Lawrence Kurzok. When Kurzok verified that the cards were “Scrapps,” Lifson interpreted this as “Scrapps Tobacco.” The issue was published in the Sports Collectors Bible this way, and has been known by that moniker ever since.

[Casey2296]

Thank you David, great information

[Al C.risafulli]

Here’s the post detailing the discovery with all the appropriate documentation. Eight years ago, and yet they’re still being called “Scrapps Tobacco.”

https://loveofthegameauctions.com/th...rapps-tobacco/

-Al

[darkhorse9]

I got a response from PSA. So far nothing from SGC

Good morning Mark

I do understand that we have different information discovered in the last few years about the probable source of these diecut cards. I have brought this information to our Research department management team to consider this request to be renamed to H.D. Smith & Co, but I am not sure if/when this would happen. So at this time, we are not able to correct this label, but it is something we will consider for the future.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Regards,

Beth Duma