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Old 12-01-2022, 08:46 PM
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What did I just watch? I am so confused! Goldin posted a video of pulling a t206 from a piedmont pack. I truly doubt the pack is legit at all. Why did Goldin do that???

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Old 12-01-2022, 08:48 PM
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i believe this was a contrived display.
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Old 12-01-2022, 08:53 PM
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It’s a guy who makes fake packs with fake cards posted by cardporn shared by goldin.

All in all, stupid.
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Old 12-01-2022, 09:02 PM
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It’s a guy who makes fake packs with fake cards posted by cardporn shared by goldin.

All in all, stupid.

oh.. i wasn't even know what was cardporn until now.
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Old 12-01-2022, 09:09 PM
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It seemed to me that the rice paper opened way too easy. It probably was opened before. I suspect a card was put in then the rice paper was pushed back in and not sealed.
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Let me preface all of this by stating the following:

I know very little about unopened tobacco packs. My observations, questions, and opinions are those of an amateur, as it pertains to this arena.
  • Boxes are three dimensional objects with six sides. The video only showed four of these sides. Why did the video not show all six sides?
  • The outer wrapper seemed unnaturally pliable for 100+ year old ephemera.
  • The inner packaging (box with the Piedmont logo, etc) seems to have significant wear along one of the long edges. This is at 0:25 of the video.
  • The edge with significant wear is also the edge formed where the two sides not shown during the opening of the video meet. This also presents at the 0:56 mark of the video.
  • The inner packaging also appears to have signs of wear and handling. This includes uneven areas of light soiling on the white portions. It also includes a flap which is not seated tightly (or neatly, for that matter) into the box. In short, it has the look of a box that has been handled and opened previously; it does not look like a product which remained untouched since being factory sealed.
  • When the card is first pulled (partially) from the pack, it looks too narrow for an unaltered Piedmont. I base this on pausing the video at the 0:47 mark and comparing the visible white spaces along the two vertical edges.
  • The person whose hands are visible places the card back into the box. Then, they use a razor blade to cut the tax seal/stamp, with the card still inside. If there was a chance the item could be a high-grade HOF T206 card, why would someone place a razor blade that close to it? The card was already partially extracted; the prudent thing to do would be to pull it the rest of the way out before inserting a razor blade into the box.
  • At the 1:08 mark, this video jumps from apparently seamless footage to something different. These last two seconds are likely irrelevant; however, it seemed worthwhile to mention the interrupted, multi-take footage.

Based on the comments above, I'm highly suspicious. I do not believe the "pack" remained unopened continuously for 110+ years, as claimed by the “unopened T206 Piedmont pack" title.
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Old 12-01-2022, 10:16 PM
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Let me preface all of this by stating the following:

I know very little about unopened tobacco packs. My observations, questions, and opinions are those of an amateur, as it pertains to this arena.
  • Boxes are three dimensional objects with six sides. The video only showed four of these sides. Why did the video not show all six sides?
  • The outer wrapper seemed unnaturally pliable for 100+ year old ephemera.
  • The inner packaging (box with the Piedmont logo, etc) seems to have significant wear along one of the long edges. This is at 0:25 of the video.
  • The edge with significant wear is also the edge formed where the two sides not shown during the opening of the video meet. This also presents at the 0:56 mark of the video.
  • The inner packaging also appears to have signs of wear and handling. This includes uneven areas of light soiling on the white portions. It also includes a flap which is not seated tightly (or neatly, for that matter) into the box. In short, it has the look of a box that has been handled and opened previously; it does not look like a product which remained untouched since being factory sealed.
  • When the card is first pulled (partially) from the pack, it looks too narrow for an unaltered Piedmont. I base this on pausing the video at the 0:47 mark and comparing the visible white spaces along the two vertical edges.
  • The person whose hands are visible places the card back into the box. Then, they use a razor blade to cut the tax seal/stamp, with the card still inside. If there was a chance the item could be a high-grade HOF T206 card, why would someone place a razor blade that close to it? The card was already partially extracted; the prudent thing to do would be to pull it the rest of the way out before inserting a razor blade into the box.
  • At the 1:08 mark, this video jumps from apparently seamless footage to something different. These last two seconds are likely irrelevant; however, it seemed worthwhile to mention the interrupted, multi-take footage.

Based on the comments above, I'm highly suspicious. I do not believe the "pack" remained unopened continuously for 110+ years, as claimed by the “unopened T206 Piedmont pack" title.

Well said! To me the two giveaways were (1) the tax stamp seem to be too small/narrow (2) the inside contain should be wrapped in foil paper and not plain paper. Also, if you pull a card, why would u push it back inside the pack to risk causing more surface damages? Don't they want a PSA10 t206 out of a pack even if it was just a common player.
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Old 12-01-2022, 11:07 PM
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Has ANYONE ever shown off a legitimate T206 unopened pack with a card in it?
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Old 12-02-2022, 07:22 AM
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It looks like Patrick Chan's gloves in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMOjHlZnESQ
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:31 AM
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Has ANYONE ever shown off a legitimate T206 unopened pack with a card in it?
Obviously, they came that way, packs of cigarettes or tobacco. Quite a few packs for there to be so many cards around today. But since I got back into cards (for the third time) a few years ago, the answer is no, not in the last few years anyhow that I can find any evidence of.

There is some guy here:

https://anvilcard.com/products/sweet...k-replica-t206

making fakes, and that is about it, other than the scammers on eBay and other sites passing off fake cards as real. Surely, though, just out of the sheer numbers made originally, real, legitimate unopened packs containing cards must exist, somewhere...
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:39 AM
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Has ANYONE ever shown off a legitimate T206 unopened pack with a card in it?
http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_16.html

Also GAI used to grade some of these, but many are highly questionable as to if they could have a card inside due to factory numbers and numerous other issues. Here is an example -



Also, some have been sold over the years like these REA examples -

https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...ain-t206-card/

https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...206-t210-card/

But again note, these "could" have a card.

As to knowing with any pack a "100% guarantee" of recieving a T206 and not either nothing or a non-sport, not really sure that is possible. A better internet genius than I can can make that call, lol.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:39 AM
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Here's what the INSIDE of an actual pack of ca. T206 Piedmont Smokes REALLY looks like. I didn't see any foil inside the pack in the video...

Just sayin'...

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Old 12-02-2022, 09:41 AM
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i would want to smoke whats inside.-..where the surgeon general warning, dont see one so its safe to smoke
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i would want to smoke whats inside.-..
My first thought whenever I see an old tobacco tin or pack of cigarettes. Although I wouldn't want to try century-old tobacco, I've never stopped wondering what these brands tasted like.

In Canada in the mid-1990's, I was out in Saskatchewan in the middle of nowhere (I guess that goes without saying--it's North North Dakota!). You can imagine my astonishment to discover Sweet Caps still being sold in a gas station. To this day, I regret not buying a pack, but the similarity between the 1990's Canadian version and its historic American counterpart would likely have ended at the name.

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I don't trust Ken Goldin as far as I can throw him. Everything he does is in his own self-aggrandizing pursuit of fame, and there's something off-putting about him that I can't quite pinpoint. This, like everything he posts, is designed to get social media eyeballs, and I doubt it's legitimate.
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Old 12-02-2022, 12:27 PM
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i would want to smoke whats inside.-..where the surgeon general warning, dont see one so its safe to smoke
You know 4 out five doctors recommend.

…and the Flintstones taught me the value of a good smoke.

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Obviously, they came that way, packs of cigarettes or tobacco. Quite a few packs for there to be so many cards around today. But since I got back into cards (for the third time) a few years ago, the answer is no, not in the last few years anyhow that I can find any evidence of.

There is some guy here:

https://anvilcard.com/products/sweet...k-replica-t206

making fakes, and that is about it, other than the scammers on eBay and other sites passing off fake cards as real. Surely, though, just out of the sheer numbers made originally, real, legitimate unopened packs containing cards must exist, somewhere...

Ah ok, so anvilcard sells these fake packs and Goldin also "credited" the video was from anvilcard which mean that pack was "known to be" fake. I guess I got fooled by Goldin. Well done...

https://anvilcard.com/collections/vi...us-cobb-mantle
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Ah ok, so anvilcard sells these fake packs and Goldin also "credited" the video was from anvilcard which mean that pack was "known to be" fake. I guess I got fooled by Goldin. Well done...

https://anvilcard.com/collections/vi...us-cobb-mantle
Really not so well done. Who on earth would...

A. Push the card back in after it was halfway out
B. Use a blade to within a millimeter of hitting the card
C. Cut through the tax stamp on the other side unnecessarily, after the other side was already opened
D. Use a pack that's missing the foil within the box
E. Fail to show the front of the card (which is the main thing people would care about)
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Obviously, they came that way, packs of cigarettes or tobacco. Quite a few packs for there to be so many cards around today.
Well, yeah, I meant in the last 50 years or so

You confirmed what I was thinking - no confirmed unopened pack with a card in modern times.
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The link says it's a fake in the first line..
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Really not so well done. Who on earth would...

A. Push the card back in after it was halfway out
B. Use a blade to within a millimeter of hitting the card
C. Cut through the tax stamp on the other side unnecessarily, after the other side was already opened
D. Use a pack that's missing the foil within the box
E. Fail to show the front of the card (which is the main thing people would care about)
I think all anvilcard pack has a fake t206 Wagner
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It doesn't look like any of these anvilcards have "reprint" on them anywhere. Just wondering if anyone has experience with these cards and how likely is it someone will try to sell these as the real thing?
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it doesn't look like any of these anvilcards have "reprint" on them anywhere. Just wondering if anyone has experience with these cards and how likely is it someone will try to sell these as the real thing?
^^this^^
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Here are some real packs with real cards inside.
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And yes, some legit packs that are unopened and “may” have a card inside exist still. Here are a couple (2 on the bottom left).
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Here are some real packs with real cards inside.
Pretty neat that you can see where the flap laid against the Lewis Jon.
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oh.. i wasn't even know what was cardporn until now.
Is that you, Pat (Chan)? You sound just like him, if not. And since you have a bad phone number on file AND have been back to the forum and not answered my PM, you are gone.
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...use a razor blade to cut the tax seal/stamp...
I was a bit myopic when writing this segment of my post. As perezfan wrote, who on earth would cut through the tax stamp on the other side unnecessarily?
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