Any interest in an SGC piggyback submission? CLOSED!! Grades popped!!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by tonyo

hopefully everyone has scans or photos of the cards they sent.

Can you share a list of the cards in the sub? so we can see which cards are multiple, to start rounding up scans if need be?

The unique ones wont be the issue. The 1958 Mantle All Stars will be an issue.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

https://webmail.spectrum.net/index.p...r=SU5CT1g%253D

Is that the list? its asking me to log into spectrum webmail and I don't have that.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Is that the list? its asking me to log into spectrum webmail and I don't have that.

Ditto

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Is that the list? its asking me to log into spectrum webmail and I don't have that.

Same here.

[Tyruscobb]

What a Charlie Foxtrot. I, too, can't open the list. Hopefully, there were not too many duplicate cards. To further complicate matters, I know I submitted multiple copies of the same card. If several others also submitted multiple copies then the fun begins.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

What a Charlie Foxtrot. I, too, can't open the list. Hopefully, there were not too many duplicate cards. To further complicate matters, I know I submitted multiple copies of the same card. If several others also submitted multiple copies then the fun begins.

Multiple copies of the same card is not the issue. My problem will arise if two different people submitted 1958 Mickey Mantle All Stars. For example, only 1 person submitted W202's. Only one person submitted a Kashin Ruth. Only 1 person submitted some T206 mega stars. Something like a 1960 Carl Yastremski though, I might have more than one person subbing stuff. Phil is helping me look into things. I forwarded him the list (before it got all disarrayed).

[JollyElm]

We will all do whatever is needed to help out this situation, and more importantly, to avoid giving you a heart attack, Bobby.

Could you post a list in chronological order of the cards that were submitted, so we can see which ones have multiple copies? From there, whoever has one of those could find scans, pics, whatever, to show which card is theirs.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

We will all do whatever is needed to help out this situation, and more importantly, to avoid giving you a heart attack, Bobby.

Could you post a list in chronological order of the cards that were submitted, so we can see which ones have multiple copies? From there, whoever has one of those could find scans, pics, whatever, to show which card is theirs.

I forwarded Phil the original list. I can get you one too Darren.

[BobbyStrawberry]

I'm happy to help out as well if needed, Bobby.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm happy to help out as well if needed, Bobby.

I think I can follow it. It will just take a different strategy than dealing with PSA. WIth PSA, I simply put all the cards in chronological order and matched them up with the sheets.

With SGC, I will take the sheets and match them up with the cards. And hopefully I didn't have guys send the exact same card.

[tonyo]

can you cut n paste the list of submitted cards so we can know if two or more of us submitted the same cards?

[JollyElm]

***ATTENTION: All Submitters***

Combing through the data, I found that this is the list of cards that have multiple examples submitted. It is quite possible that some or all versions of a single card were submitted by the same person, but that's neither here nor there.

What to do:
1. If you submitted a card appearing on the list below, contact Bobby and tell him how many of them you submitted.

2. If you submitted all examples, then nothing else needs to be done.

3. If you only submitted one (or two if there were a total of three examples sent in), then make sure you have scans, pics, whatever to 'prove' which are yours.

4. Immediately contact Bobby (to save him from a heart condition ) and arrange sending him the pics.


1. 1909-11 American Caramel Co. E90-1 Tommy Leach

2. 1909-11 Sweet Caporal T206 Nap Lajoie

3. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #113 Sweeney Gets Stahl

4. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #114 Tenney Lands Safely

5. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #55 Dooin Gets His Man

6. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #6 Ambrose Mcconnell At Bat

7. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #69 Grant Gets His Man

8. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #7 A Wide Throw Saves...

9. 1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes #96 McIntyre At Bat

10. 1952 Topps #195 Orestes Minoso

11. 1953 Topps #104 Yogi Berra

12. 1953 Topps #114 Phil Rizzuto

13. 1954 Topps #1 Ted Williams

14. 1954 Topps #10 Jackie Robinson

15. 1954 Topps #250 Ted Williams

16. 1955 Topps #47 Hank Aaron

17. 1958 Topps #150 Mickey Mantle

18. 1958 Topps #476 Stan Musial

19. 1958 Topps #487 Mickey Mantle

20. 1965 Topps #170 Hank Aaron

21. 1980-89 Pliva #74 Gari Kasparov


Hopefully, I didn't miss anything. As each card is 'resolved,' I can mark it as such, if that'll help.

[Casey2296]

Thank you Darren

[tonyo]

thanks Darren, does the t206 Lajoie list the pose, or 150 vs 350 series , or the factory # ?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by tonyo

thanks Darren, does the t206 Lajoie list the pose, or 150 vs 350 series , or the factory # ?

No, do you have a scan of yours you can post?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by tonyo

thanks Darren, does the t206 Lajoie list the pose, or 150 vs 350 series , or the factory # ?

Nope. Each card 'description' is how it appears on the pdf of the SGC invoice that was sent to me, so nothing has been omitted.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

No, do you have a scan of yours you can post?

I'll have to dig them up, but I submitted t206 SC150-30 Lajoie Portrait and t206 SC150-30 Lajoie Throwing.

so those two probably represent the "duplicate listing" if there are only two 1909-11 Sweet Caporal T206 Nap Lajoies on the list.

if that's the case, I wont look for the scans

[Tyruscobb]

Thanks, Bobby, Darren, & Phil!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I'll have to dig them up, but I submitted t206 SC150-30 Lajoie Portrait and t206 SC150-30 Lajoie Throwing.

so those two probably represent the "duplicate listing" if there are only two 1909-11 Sweet Caporal T206 Nap Lajoies on the list.

if that's the case, I wont look for the scans

There's only two so they're both yours.

[big-six]

Several on the list-

(2) Leach throwing
(3) 1958 All star Mantles
(3) 1958 All star Musial
(2) 1954 Robinsons
(1) 1958 Mantle
(1) 1953 Berra
(1) 1953 Rizzuto

Hope this helps

Bob

[bobbyw8469]

Believe it or not, there are ZERO duplicates on the list. I broke down the groups on a hard copy that I will forward to Darren, and I don't see ANY duplicate cards by duplicate people

[bobbyw8469]

Guys....sorry for all the panic over nothing. It seems as though NO ONE has subbed the same cards as other members. As hard as that sounds to believe!!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Guys....sorry for all the panic over nothing. It seems as though NO ONE has subbed the same cards as other members. As hard as that sounds to believe!!

No worries Bobby, better to figure it out now so it's not snafu later.

[bobbyw8469]

Hey Guys, I am not sure Darren understood what the issue was. And judging by my DM's, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The problem WAS NOT the issue with duplicates. SGC can handle sending in 100 of the exact same card. The issue arose with duplicates among DIFFERENT MEMBERS. Take for example a Pete Rose rookie card, all of similiar quality. Say I submit 4 Pete Rose rookie cards. Darren Hughes submits 1 Pete Rose rookie card. With the way SGC enters cards into their system, they ignore the way I have them on the sheet and enter them randomly. Doing it that way, I would have no idea which Pete Rose rookie Darren submitted was.

PSA never does that. They enter them in the same way I have them on the sheet. Which basically one big sheet is broken down into various groups (to make it easier for me). But everyone's order stays together. That is how I am able to know whose card is whose when I get 5 Pete Rose rookies from various people.

I believe we dodged a major bullet this time, because as far as I can tell, no one has submitted the exact same card as another member. Instead of putting cards chronologically like I do with PSA, with SGC, I simply pull out the sheets you sent me and go grocery shopping.

As long as I know the rules, I can work around it. Another problem arises in that SGC has no customer service number for customers to call to hash out issues. They have to call me.

I have learned a lot dealing with my first (and probably my only) SGC group sub. Or maybe have to talk amongst yourselves and be like (Are you sending a 1953 Topps Yogi Berra?). I can't see myself doing that.

[drmondobueno]

Wondering if the recent crash in ultra modern prices will cut into Psa volumes. Noticed a couple Youtubers dealing in new stuff at trade shows buys the shiny PSA 10s and trades them that day for for pre 1970 Hofers, Early Topps and pre-war. Maybe getting religion, or is this a natural migration to more stable collections? I think both.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Hey Guys, I am not sure Darren understood what the issue was. And judging by my DM's, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The problem WAS NOT the issue with duplicates. SGC can handle sending in 100 of the exact same card. The issue arose with duplicates among DIFFERENT MEMBERS. Take for example a Pete Rose rookie card, all of similiar quality. Say I submit 4 Pete Rose rookie cards. Darren Hughes submits 1 Pete Rose rookie card. With the way SGC enters cards into their system, they ignore the way I have them on the sheet and enter them randomly. Doing it that way, I would have no idea which Pete Rose rookie Darren submitted was.

PSA never does that. They enter them in the same way I have them on the sheet. Which basically one big sheet is broken down into various groups (to make it easier for me). But everyone's order stays together. That is how I am able to know whose card is whose when I get 5 Pete Rose rookies from various people.

I believe we dodged a major bullet this time, because as far as I can tell, no one has submitted the exact same card as another member. Instead of putting cards chronologically like I do with PSA, with SGC, I simply pull out the sheets you sent me and go grocery shopping.

As long as I know the rules, I can work around it. Another problem arises in that SGC has no customer service number for customers to call to hash out issues. They have to call me.

I have learned a lot dealing with my first (and probably my only) SGC group sub. Or maybe have to talk amongst yourselves and be like (Are you sending a 1953 Topps Yogi Berra?). I can't see myself doing that.

Ummm...I understood perfectly fine. Look at post #162, outlining what members need to do if they submitted a card on the list of duplicates shown there. They would have to show you 'proof' of which of the duplicates was theirs, so you'd ultimately sent them back the correct card. Quite clear.

I'm glad it's been resolved, and I want to meet some of the people who have multiples of epic cards from the 50's to send in. Yowza!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Ummm...I understood perfectly fine. Look at post #162, outlining what members need to do if they submitted a card on the list of duplicates shown there. They would have to show you 'proof' of which of the duplicates was theirs, so you'd ultimately sent them back the correct card. Quite clear.

I'm glad it's been resolved, and I want to meet some of the people who have multiples of epic cards from the 50's to send in. Yowza!

Well, the 4 Minnie Minoso rookies were mine. I am thankful I was the only one to submit one.

[bobbyw8469]

I paid upcharges for 4 cards. None were mine. So would like to get reimbursed for that. The 4 upcharges were....

R136 Kashin Babe Ruth = +67
T206 Ty Cobb Bat off shoulder = +67
E93 Honus Wagner = +67
1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig = +67

The upcharges were $67 each.

Also, some cards didn't grade, so I will be owing refunds to some.

[BuzzD]

Bobby

Can you post the grades?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I paid upcharges for 4 cards. None were mine. So would like to get reimbursed for that. The 4 upcharges were....

R136 Kashin Babe Ruth = +67
T206 Ty Cobb Bat off shoulder = +67
E93 Honus Wagner = +67
1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig = +67

The upcharges were $67 each.

Also, some cards didn't grade, so I will be owing refunds to some.

Congrats on the upcharges and nice grades.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BuzzD

Bobby

Can you post the grades?

I dont have them yet.

[JollyElm]

Since I have too much experience in the area, can you tell us which cards are being returned ungraded?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Since I have too much experience in the area, can you tell us which cards are being returned ungraded?

He was going so fast. Definitely the Desert Storm Ken Griffey Jr. They don't grade the issue. I will know better once I get the package back.

[BuzzD]

I am pretty sure one is mine. A chimeric Gilhooley E135 front with a Johnson stamp back. I think these were faked in the 1970s or 80s. Dopey me.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BuzzD

I am pretty sure one is mine. A chimeric Gilhooley E135 front with a Johnson stamp back. I think these were faked in the 1970s or 80s. Dopey me.

One is mine and one is Teza11. They both have skinned backs. They told me they don't grade blank back cards. I was like, these aren't blank backs....they are SKINNED backs.....and I pointed out that they graded those in the past. So we will see.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

He was going so fast. Definitely the Desert Storm Ken Griffey Jr. They don't grade the issue. I will know better once I get the package back.

Do you mean 1991 Topps Desert Shield Ken Griffey Jr?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Do you mean 1991 Topps Desert Shield Ken Griffey Jr?

Not sure the exact issue. he said they don't grade desert shields.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not sure the exact issue. he said they don't grade desert shields.

That is the only year they done DS cards. They must have just stopped grading them in the last few days then or maybe it is one of the many fakes out there.

[drmondobueno]

Expecting this guy to come back either a replica or altered. Shall soon find out...

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That is the only year they done DS cards. They must have just stopped grading them in the last few days then or maybe it is one of the many fakes out there.

Maybe they stopped grading the Griffey. I have seen that they graded Desert Sheilds, but I have not seen any Griffeys in a SGC holder. That is a commonly faked card?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Maybe they stopped grading the Griffey. I have seen that they graded Desert Sheilds, but I have not seen any Griffeys in a SGC holder. That is a commonly faked card?

They are all commonly faked because the only difference between them and the regular issue Topps cards is a foil stamp. The foil stamp is what gets counterfeited. The Chipper Jones rookie card is the biggest money card of the DS cards.

[swarmee]

If their guarantee is worthless/deleted, not sure why they wouldn't grade bad cards. They have no liability anymore except bad press, which seems to fall under "all news is good news."

[todeen]

The DS Griffey is mine. A DS expert looked at my scans and told me it's legit. I believe he advises PSA. So I'm not worried about it as a fake.

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[todeen]

The 1933 Gehrig is mine. It was previously judged as altered by SGC. My valuation was correct according to VCP for that card in Auth condition. Do you know why they upcharged me?

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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by todeen

The 1933 Gehrig is mine. It was previously judged as altered by SGC. My valuation was correct according to VCP for that card in Auth condition. Do you know why they upcharged me?

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Maybe you got a numerical grade this time.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Maybe you got a numerical grade this time.

I sent it in the cardsaver with their sticker attached to it. I just wanted the card slabbed and protected. If they changed their opinion after seeing their previous opinion I would be surprised.

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[Casey2296]

That would surprise me too

[Lucas00]

I'm guessing they see the sticker and as a precaution assume its fake or being used in a nefarious way in an attempt to say a fake is at least authentic altered. Of course it's the same card but they don't see it that way. They could've done a second evaluation after ignoring the sticker and judged it as not being altered this time around.
Just a thought

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I'm guessing they see the sticker and as a precaution assume its fake or being used in a nefarious way in an attempt to say a fake is at least authentic altered. Of course it's the same card but they don't see it that way. They could've done a second evaluation after ignoring the sticker and judged it as not being altered this time around.
Just a thought

that's plausible. hadn't thought of that.

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[bobbyw8469]

VCP Average on an Authentic Gehrig is $3,200. The limit per card was $1,499.
Of course there are varying degrees of "authentic" that would make it higher or lower. I am thinking that this authentic didn't appear to be totally falling apart to warrant squeezing in under a $18 sub.