Lot by Lot auctions closings-I leave $ on table

[Stonepony]

It may just be poor strategy or preparation on my part, but I tend to leave money on the table when auction houses close lot by lot with a 30 minute rule. I feel rushed and discombobulated right after the extended bidding opens, not knowing if my watched lots will last another 30 minutes or 6 hours. I'm not always a loser, but the problem is a relatively fixed amount of $ to spend and multiple lots to choose from. Here's an example of how it often plays out. I have my eye on 6 lots i want, 2 of which I REALLY want. I cannot by any means afford them all.
My cash to spend is just say 10,000. Extended bidding begins:
Lot 1 REALLY want is at 5,000 ( i'll go 10,000)
Lot 2 REALLY want is at 6,000 ( I'll go 10,000)
Lot 3 at 1500 ( I,ll go 2500)
Lot 4 at 2000 ( I'll go 4000)
Lot 5 at 3500 ( Ill go 40 00)
Lot 6 at 1800 ( Ill go 3000)

After 30 min. Lot 5 closed at its 3500. I didn't even notice.
After 2 hrs Lot 6 went for 2400
Lot 1 is at 7000
Lot 2 is at 8000
Lot 3 is at 3000 so Ive lost interest
Lot 4 is at 3000
After 5 hrs Lot 1 is at 8250 ( my bid)
Lot 2 is at 7500...Im excited Im focused on lot 1 and 2
lot 4 closes at 3500
After 6 hrs Lot 1 still at my 8500
Lot 2 is at 8000 ( not my bid, I can't afford Lot 1 AND 2)
After 7 hours Lot 1 is at my bid of 9000
Lot 2 closed at 8000
After 8 hrs Lot 1 closed at 11500


Im out on LOT 1....and there's nowhere for my money to go. I would have bid more for several lots, and perhaps won more than one. They were, however, closed. This is how The Luckey Collection ( Hi Leon) played out for me. I was in on and/ or following some high dollar items. When they closed beyond my reach, the other lots I'd have gone back to had already closed. It was very disappointing and I left a lot of money in my bank account that was earmarked for Leon.
Bottom line , I much prefer the auctions that all lots close at once. Less stressful for me and there's always somewhere for my money too turn. Any helpful hints? Heritage is around the corner.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

It may just be poor strategy or preparation on my part, but I tend to leave money on the table when auction houses close lot by lot with a 30 minute rule. I feel rushed and discombobulated right after the extended bidding opens, not knowing if my watched lots will last another 30 minutes or 6 hours. I'm not always a loser, but the problem is a relatively fixed amount of $ to spend and multiple lots to choose from. Here's an example of how it often plays out. I have my eye on 6 lots i want, 2 of which I REALLY want. I cannot by any means afford them all.
My cash to spend is just say 10,000. Extended bidding begins:
Lot 1 REALLY want is at 5,000 ( i'll go 10,000)
Lot 2 REALLY want is at 6,000 ( I'll go 10,000)
Lot 3 at 1500 ( I,ll go 2500)
Lot 4 at 2000 ( I'll go 4000)
Lot 5 at 3500 ( Ill go 40 00)
Lot 6 at 1800 ( Ill go 3000)

After 30 min. Lot 5 closed at its 3500. I didn't even notice.
After 2 hrs Lot 6 went for 2400
Lot 1 is at 7000
Lot 2 is at 8000
Lot 3 is at 3000 so Ive lost interest
Lot 4 is at 3000
After 5 hrs Lot 1 is at 8250 ( my bid)
Lot 2 is at 7500...Im excited Im focused on lot 1 and 2
lot 4 closes at 3500
After 6 hrs Lot 1 still at my 8500
Lot 2 is at 8000 ( not my bid, I can't afford Lot 1 AND 2)
After 7 hours Lot 1 is at my bid of 9000
Lot 2 closed at 8000
After 8 hrs Lot 1 closed at 11500


Im out on LOT 1....and there's nowhere for my money to go. I would have bid more for several lots, and perhaps won more than one. They were, however, closed. This is how The Luckey Collection ( Hi Leon) played out for me. I was in on and/ or following some high dollar items. When they closed beyond my reach, the other lots I'd have gone back to had already closed. It was very disappointing and I left a lot of money in my bank account that was earmarked for Leon.
Bottom line , I much prefer the auctions that all lots close at once. Less stressful for me and there's always somewhere for my money too turn. Any helpful hints? Heritage is around the corner.

There is no perfect solution. Sorry you lost out. That is also why their "buying on time" program made sense too. For my collection it was being offered with no interest financing since I would have been financing it. It was offered to another member this exact way at the National. In my mind, There was no reason someone who wanted something, and had the money to get it now or some months later, should have lost out. I still prefer lot by lot endinngs. It keeps more people interested. I can't say how many times I have fallen asleep on the all-nighters. Once again, sorry you lost out on some great cards. Some of them are resurfacing so maybe you will get some in the future. Had it ended at 430am there would have been a slew of other opinions.

ps..the hint is the extended payment program. Check the specifics but I think it is generally 25%'ish down and 1 percent interest per month.......I have used that program a few times when cash was lean

[Stonepony]

I may look into that idea! Thanks

[BeanTown]

Without a doubt I agree with Leon on that auctions should end on a per lot basis. This allows a bidding war on each lot and a known time when to login in and bid to win. Such a clear advantage to Westcoast bidders on auctions that stay open past 1AM. I wish every auction would follow Heritage, Hunt, and Huggins and Scott (that come to mind) that close on a per lot basis. Im thankfull that auctions use computors now compared to the ole chalkboards where you had to phone in your bid and they would update the "big board".

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Without a doubt I agree with Leon on that auctions should end on a per lot basis. This allows a bidding war on each lot and a known time when to login in and bid to win. Such a clear advantage to Westcoast bidders on auctions that stay open past 1AM. I wish every auction would follow Heritage, Hunt, and Huggins and Scott (that come to mind) that close on a per lot basis. Im thankfull that auctions use computors now compared to the ole chalkboards where you had to phone in your bid and they would update the "big board".

JC, if you do not mind me asking, if you were consigning, how would you want the auction to end?

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

JC, if you do not mind me asking, if you were consigning, how would you want the auction to end?

Without a doubt the way I mentioned above. Each lot closes when no bids come in on "that" lot for 15,20, or 30 minutes.

I think Dave did an excellent job explaining the drawback too for auctions ending on a per lot basis. However, I think Leon benefited from it overall as it allowed bidding wars on 100s of lots as it forced people to bid or lose out. I will also add that I lost out on the Pinkerton Cobb cabinet as I thought it would be bid upon at least once in the extra time which it was not. I didnt want to commit to 20k that early. However, by that format I was able to win more lots I believe and place more bids. Fell a little short as the under bidder on the Shapiro Cobb, but had fun bidding on it and then it turned my interest to a couple other lots.

Ebay used to be popular for auctions and the main reason was it had a firm end time and bidders knew when to come in and bid (mainly snipers). Id rather have three interested bidders fighting for a lot than one bidder who stayed up till 4am to be. Rewarded with his choice of the auction.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

JC, if you do not mind me asking, if you were consigning, how would you want the auction to end?

Mine would be REA's mailing list and Saco River's traditional auction format.