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Posted By: Elliot
I've been more than tolerant regarding the plethora of recent posts by Dr. Koos and BcD. It is now clear that no new useful information is going to be gained regarding the '52 Mantle, altered submissions, etc. Any new posts on these topics by anybody will be summarily deleted irregardless of the content. If anybody thinks they have some ultra-important post on these topics, they can submit it to me first for approval. |
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Posted By: B C Daniels
contacting you directly? You do not respond! I wrote you a few times and asked others if you were gone and they told me no! I also made steps to correct our family fued and just posted a thread that was inteded to be funny and informative to lighten up the mood! You just deleted it! It gave the guys insight as to properly learn about how to detect alterations and invited them for a crash course in paper,oil & other applications to canvas of which so far, I know far more about than anyone else I see posting about it. You should have done all this about three days ago! it seems a bit late don't you think? feel free to write me on the short rope concept so I can properly present this in view of my defense of my character,habits and occupational issues to those who can contact you on the consequences of the consequences to me. You write this but do not respond to personal e-mails.......you created the board and Leon asked me to participate! Instead of tolerating you might want to take responsibility. And yes! Your post did not find favor prior to private consulting though I realize this may be a learning experience for you as well. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
Elliott was the one that set up the board and has gained alot of respect from the people who follow it if you don't like it leave and go to another board. Elliott's email is available continue to use it. |
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Posted By: B C D
your a hypocrite! if you do not like my response you can leave! or better yet send e-mail to my complaint department-Richard Koos. he will assist you in your concerns about my concerns. maybe i should flame you for four days and see what you do! |
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Posted By: Dr.Koos
...as I have NEVER questioned removal of ANY of my posts. I figured, Elliot will read all the posts anyway and delete which ones he sees fit to. It IS his house and I'm a guest in it. If he doesn't want something said and washes the walls, fine with me. I'll put on the old overalls and I'll help if I can with the renovating. I won't repeat it or make a concerted effort not to. It's not a good Board, it's a GREAT Board and I feel that no one here should pull punches. Everyone in the world gets up in arms when adults talk like adults using adult language, "Gee, what if the kids read this", but HEY!..this is a Board read by ADULTS and every once in a while guys square off and trade some "leather". That's life. Then they conclude the hostilities and take the gloves off. And what Elliot doesn't feel is appropriate on HIS Board, I'm all for his deleting, part of it, or all of it. I'll do my best to remove all negativity from my posts, which WASN'T MY INTENTION IN THE FIRST PLACE, but just headed in that direction from the warm "Kangaroo" welcome I received from the get-go. |
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Posted By: Elliot
Brian, |
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Posted By: Elliot
While I was composing the above post, three additional posts to this thread were made. Dr. Koos is correct, he has never complained about deletion/editing of his post. However, it is very, very time consuming. If he and Brian do not wish to submit their posts for pre-approval that is fine, but if their posts are unacceptable the next step would be to block them from accessing this board. I think a cooling off period is necessary....look at the posts above....BcD is overly antagonistic towards Lee (but perhaps that is just his anger at me) and Dr. Koos in an otherwise conciliatory post can't help himself from taking a shot at Dan. |
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Posted By: Brian C Daniels
was meaning myself and Koos! |
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Posted By: Dr.Koos
..at Dan as a testimony of what happens when someone tries to respect the House's wishes and post something constructive and informative. You have to admit, it does seem that no matter what I post, whether utter nonsense meant to be funny, or dead serious, meant in the spirit of contributing, the brow beating seems to follow along like a bouncing ball. |
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Posted By: David
Firstly, whatever his decission, I support Elliot-- as it's his board, and he's a sharp guy. |
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Posted By: Elliot
The free-for-all is so much more fun |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
Damn David now I'm going to have nightmares after seeing that picture. |
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Posted By: runscott
While some of us might do it differently, the important thing is that the problem gets handled and we turn this board back into something useful. |
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Posted By: runscott
If you feel you need to edit one of mine, just delete it instead. BTW, I finally finished my vintage card article (now that I'm on vacation-Yippee!), and I'm working on digesting some of our board threads to send out in emails. It was just a matter of having some time to work on it. |
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Posted By: leon
I am in full agreement with Elliot. This board is a wonderful service for the hobby, and ourselves, and it has been abused. It is NOT Elliot's board, it is OUR board. Elliot is just nice enough to put up with our tantrums and bickering and do an excellent, albeit time consuming, job moderating. I will do anything I can to help him in this endeavor (moderating, not bickering ). MY highlighted blue name on this thread gives my work email (I am not too busy right now but hope to be soon) and I will be glad to help moderate for the time being. My email at home, which is on every single other post of mine, is leonl@flash.net, which is not coincidenally my ebay name too. Since I have somehow managed to not spar with Brian Or Doc I will be happy to scan posts before submission. I emailed Elliot last night and asked that he start deleting the anonymous posters posts...the person impersonating other people. That is totally unacceptable. My other biggest fear is that we have very mature, very experienced collectors/dealers/lurkers, with great knowledge, that will go away with all of the fighting about NON-VINTAGE CARD issues. Grading, restoration, and the like are fine topics too but they can also be taken to a personal level, which many posts have done lately. There is no need for that to be an ongoing situation. A little bit of fighting is not a bad thing but the personal attacks and name calling are REDICULOUS. That is what private emails are for, if you must. I know because I have been getting about 15-20 emails at home, a day, concerning the Board. I don't know about ya'll but I want and need the board and want it to stay a fun, informative place. Let's please act like adults AND respect each other.....best regards all...from my igloo |
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Posted By: Brian C Daniels
Except someone out there loves me! David is your man! |
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Posted By: Dan Mathewson
I have thought all along, Elliot, that this board was for the discussion of vintage cards, vintage card auctions, vintage card grading, vintage card grading companies, vintage card collecting, vintage card fraud/warnings to other members when vintage card fraud may be occurring, etc, etc, etc. |
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Posted By: Bill Cornell
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Posted By: B C daniels
I asked Elliot to delete everything concerning myself and Koos four days ago but he was not around to do so! |
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Posted By: Elliot
I will put this as plainly as I can----I want the discussion of this to STOP. It is not negotiable, you can agree or disagree with me, but it will not change things. If people don't want to let go, IMMEDIATELY they will find access to this site denied. I am not interested in rehashing old items. |
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Posted By: Goudey Guy
As I am new to this board, I've had mixed feelings about the sort of conversations that are posted. I was very pleased to find a "chat room" where I could talk to fellow members about the joy of collecting vintage baseball cards. Not to say that a lot of great pieces haven't been posted, but too many times, I've dropped by and seen nothing but smut and senseless bickering. There are more than a couple of regulars here who post with a low level of class, respect, and common sense. I'm not the only new-comer to state these feelings lately, maybe some of these disgruntled main-stays should be censored or just plain asked not to participate if their going to continue with their non vinatge card retoric. Some old dogs should learn new tricks (and class). |
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Posted By: runscott
and I agree that there is lots of great stuff in them. Because of this board I am becoming much more familiar with the restoration detection techniques and the tools available, but what I don't know is... |
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