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Posted By: Paul
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2007/07027b.htm |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
What an embarrassment ... Buzzie Bavasi had more than twice the number of votes as Minnie Minoso ... the HOF is a joke ... |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
for not electing Marvin Miller. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
my autographed ball of him would be more valuable........ |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I don't think Hodges will ever make it. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It has become mind-boggling to try to understand the HOF selection process these past few year's. |
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Posted By: Bob
Shame on the committee for not voting in Tony Oliva. You let in Billy Williams and Kirby Puckett and keep out the best hitter in the American League during the 1960's? Unbelievable. |
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Posted By: Jason L
Do you think they argued about this stuff with passion like we do now, back in the 30's, 40s and 50s? |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
I don't think they put THAT much effort into it. They have no regard for the 19th century and don't seem to really study too much any of the people. I think they're 80+ people living in vaccuum's that just vote.....I'd bet that some of them know little to nothing about the potential candidates other than those that they actually played against..... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The fact is, Santo and Hodges and Oliva deserve to be in (at the very least), as does Marvin Miller. It will only happen on a year when no one else is elected. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey Peter, Hodges was a fellow Brooklynite and led the Mets to the 1969 Series. If all the other guys are in, he can come and play, too. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
They need to do away with the whole damned committee. They're a complete waste of everyone's (including their own) time and energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
When I was working at Sotheby's during the week that the public could come and see the Halper Collection, one of the viewers was Marvin Miller. I introduced myself to him and the first thing I said was "you should already be in the Hall of Fame." He was extremely thankful, and very soft spoken and polite. |
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Posted By: Jason L
that's probably it...but try not to be too hard on yourself! |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
guys- |
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Posted By: dennis
MVSNYC |
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Posted By: Jason L
I'll start by trading you Bill Maseroski for Ron Santo |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Curt Flood should go as a pioneer of the game for opening up free agency. |
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Posted By: dennis
the fact is the hall of fame is not for only the greastest players: this is the mission statement for those who can be elected: "Honoring, by enshrinement, those individuals who had exceptional careers, and recognizing others for their significant achievements." |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Thank God. As Mike said the Hall of Fame deserves to be the best of the best and not just for the very very good. Just because some mistakes were made in the past does not mean they should be compounded and overall standards lowered. |
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Posted By: Andy
Jay, |
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Posted By: Paul
Actually, Curt Flood was unsuccessful in opening up free agency. He took his case all the way to the Supreme Court and lost (in a decision that was an embarrassment for the Supreme Court). |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
Paul, |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
They were fighting the reserve clause back in the late 1800's... |
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Posted By: Andy
Paul, |
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Posted By: Paul
I agree that Flood should be praised for his courageous attempt to challenge the reserve clause. But I don't think it's accurate to say that he made any kind of a dent in the reserve clause. He filed a lawsuit and lost. The courts said nothing that in any way suggested that the owners needed to modify the reserve clause. |
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Posted By: Bob
Unless I missed something, not one single player who played from 1887 until 1929 received a single vote. Those of us believing Ed Reulbach, Bill Dahlen, Tommy Leach, Mike Donlin, and other star prewar players of that era might someday get in should not hold our collective breath. |
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Posted By: Bob
I don't understand the voters for the Hall of Fame. For instance, how do you explain Cal Ripken being a first ballot HOFer? He was an average fielder with an average arm who had a decent batting average of .276 lifetime, not a great batting average. He was no Ozzie Smith or Luis Aparicio in the field who could get in because of his defense. He got in because of his longevity (the streak) and his national popularity, i.e the media loved him. Is longevity now the benchmark for inclusion in the Hall? Would you deny Sandy Koufax his place? I don't mean to pick on Ripken but his stats are very similar to those of Craig Biggio. I just don't understand..... |
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Posted By: Danny
What about Dummy Hoy??? |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
"Every year since 1985, I have been in Cooperstown on HOF weekend. In recent years there have been complaints by many up there that the crowds are diminishing every year. Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why....induct the right ballplayers and "the people will come ..." |
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Posted By: Jason L
Chris, that's a deal...we both get Santo in and two marginals out! |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Ripken has all the qualifications. He provided offensive numbers at a position that historically lacked them--only Ernie Banks was comparable. He was an all-star 19 years, all in row. He won 2 MVP awards--that has to show some dominance. More than 3000 hits and 400 HRs, sprinkle in a couple gold gloves and a World Series ring, and I wonder what more you would want. |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
I believe Cal is a legit HOFer, but mostly because he played shortstop and third base. If he was a first baseman or an outfielder, he'd be a tough sell, even with the record. The same goes for Santo. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
let's compare him to one of my all time favorites, outfielder Dave Winfield. |
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Posted By: Jason L
Good points all, and I do think he's got the credentials, I was just saying, "Where's the excitement factor?" Where's the "Oh, I have to make sure I catch the game tonight because Cal is playing some solid SS and hitting .276!" |
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Posted By: peter chao
Jason L., |
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Posted By: Jason L
That is a very good point, and you turned my words around on me very nicely ...but then why don't you and I get into a HOF? |
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Posted By: peter chao
Well Jason, |
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Posted By: Ricky Y
I thought Santo, Harvey and Miller had good shots getting in. Too bad. |
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Posted By: BcD
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: peter ullman
joe morgan IS arrogant! he has always been an arrogant announcer...and I therefore don't really care for him. |
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Posted By: Jason L
...that has always been plainly visible. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I have to tell you he was a great player. In 1975-76 I think he was the best in the game. |
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Posted By: Jason L
were you a FAN? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
My belief is that a guy should be elected if he was a dominant player from his era. Otherwise, it is too difficult to compare players from different eras because of the difference in the circumstances. Why should a deadball player be penalized for not hitting homeruns when during that period Ty Cobb led the league once in HRs with 9 and was second another year with 5? I believe that for a pitcher the statistic that is most important to me is his performance compared with the rest of the league during his career -- the size of the disparity between his ERA and that of the league average, wins, wins plus hits per nine innings, etc. Same with hitters. In that vein, it seems hard for me to imagine a HOF without Jim Rice, Andre Dawson and maybe even Steve Garvey. These were the players that ruled baseball in my youth. Can anyone really say with a straight face that Joe Morgan or Ryne Sandberg or Cal Ripkin dominated during their eras anymore than Jim Rice did? Or Dawson? With that in mind, Gil Hodges, Ron Santo and Tony Oliva belong in the Hall. Anytime a guy gets voted to the All Star team 7, 8, 9 times -- he is clearly dominating his league and deserves HOF entry. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I can't really say I like him or dislike him. Enjoyed watching him play, he could do it all, but never formed a personal opinion. I actually don't mind his announcing either, but do I like it or dislike it? Never gave it much thought. |
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Posted By: Jason L
You make a very interesting point at the end of your comments, and maybe that would be a neat exercise...to somehow construct a question about the avg number of times that the HOFers have made the All-Star game, vs the avg number of times a non-HOFer has made the All-Star Game (from a population of players that have made at least one A-S game)? |
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Posted By: Mark L
I watched Morgan play in lots of key games between 72 and 79 and it seemed to me at the time that he was often the toughest out in that Reds lineup. You couldn't keep him off base, he could hit for extra bases, and he was as fast as anyone. My youthful impression was that it was he who pushed the Reds to a higher level in 72 and 75, at least. Does that mean dominant? When I've listened to him on tv he seemed pretty solid to me. |
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