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Posted By: chris
Hi all, |
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Posted By: paulstratton
The fix is on! These guys were getting screwed by Comiskey. |
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Posted By: dennis
imo the interpretation as w/any "hollywood" production must have good and bad.....good in real life would be the clean players,little attention is paid to them. bad is the players in on the fix,or who knew of the fix and did nothing to stop it .the movie cleaned up the bad and gave (some of) them a sympathatic feel. i liked the movie and of course would love to believe weaver & jackson were clean,but i know in fact they weren't. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Jackson took money, so he was hardly "clean". IMO, Weaver was "clean" by the moral standards that he was raised in. He came from a working class background where one was considered clean if they didn't participate in wrongdoing even if they were aware of it (much like the playground rules where you don't "rat" on someone even though you didn't do anything). In fact, Landis didn't say that Weaver was a participant if I remember correctly. He was banned for his prior knowledge and failure to disclose. Weaver was judged, however, by a tougher standard and suffered the consequences (unfairly so IMO). |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
These characters are the culprits, with others also involved. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Chris |
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Posted By: chris
Thanks for the replies everyone... |
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta
"The Swede was a hard guy".....I'm sure Weaver, like Jackson who made that statement was afraid to "rat" on the fellas. |
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta
Chris, nearly all of the 8 played semi-pro ball...many of them at times for the same teams. |
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Posted By: chris
thanks Mike for the link.. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
the movie was actually pretty acurate, according to my limited Blacksox research i have done over the years (books, fellow collectors, internet, etc)...i too would have loved to have been around back in those days. |
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Posted By: Todd
I grew up in Cincy and, according to every old-timer that I ever talked to, the Reds beat the Sox fair and square. |
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Posted By: DJ
Errors in "Eight Men Out": |
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Posted By: joe brennan
Wow. Very asute disection of the movie OJ. Wasn't aware of all of that, and I'm sure Hollywood making a product didn't research everything to the finest point. But knowing you have tells me you either have a passion for the Sox or factual Hollywood movies. |
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Posted By: DJ
I should have given credit where credit is due and I assure you that wasn't my own creation. |
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Posted By: Larry
DJ- That was an incredible addition to this thread, being one of my favorite movies, I really appreciated the subtle error notes you have discovered, that was great..This is an educational thread, something we should all appreciate. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Jackson did take the money. Cicotte too. Weaver was aware of it and sat around while it was discussed but did nothing. I feel sorry for him. The irony is that had Weaver not been banned, he would have been Harry Steinfeldt today: known by afficionados but not anyone else. In some ways being unjustly kicked out made him more famous than he would have been under his own playing record. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'm sure that Buck Weaver would have rather not been as famous if he could have continued to play professionally. I feel sorry for him too...his was more a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The bottom line is though that he knew what was taking place and sat by and watched it happen....of course I'm sure that most of the team knew what was happening. Ray Schalk had to know that it wasn't on the level. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Nobody rats out anybody |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Gil, I completely agree with you, and as I said earlier "Swede was a hard guy". Baseball players were a rough crowd in the deadball era and gambling on games by players was not uncommon for the era. Unfortunately for Weaver he sat in on at least one meeting about the throwing of the series...probably by happenstance because he was friends with most of those who participated in the scheme, and that's what I mean by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Landis was brought in to clean up the game and Weaver and arguably Jackson were thrown to the lions without due process. It is lamentable, but in the end it certainly kept most ballplayers from associating with the gamblers. |
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Posted By: S Gross
If you can, try to locate a copy of Nelson Algren's "The Silver-Colored Yesterday." It has a great story of the author growing up as a Swede Risberg fan (with his autographed bat) in North Chicago. Shunned by the local gang, he was forced to play RF, where: "... The worshipers of false gods hit scratchy little National League bloopers. There wasn't one honest-to-God American League line drive all summer." |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Nelson Algren has many Black Sox references in his works. Here is a very interesting book Riseberg "Ballet for an Opening Day". (However, this limited edition art book will set you back $2000--it is available in cheaper copies) |
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