1921 Standard Biscuit D350-3 Tris Speaker?

[chalupacollects]

Hello everyone,

I am in possession of the attached card. Appears to be a Standard Biscuit D350-3 Tris Speaker apparently uncatalogued. I did see an article on another website (Prewarcards.com) that the “set of 80” checklist is the same as the E-121’s but is not well catalogued as existing copies are very rare.

Attached is a Tris Speaker that fits the criteria for a D350-3. Does it?

Same photo was used in a 1922 E120 card

It feels right compared to a E121 I have, thickness seems same. Printing technology seems to match. Paper color seems faded or - not white but I have seen some 120s and 121s that have similar coloring.

So would the board be able to help me determine what this is?

[Leon]

It doesn't look real from that picture.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Leon

It doesn't look real from that picture.

+1

That photo does not look right, too grainy or hazy, not very clear and crisp. Unless that is the result of a pretty bad scan, I think it is likely no good also.

[Exhibitman]

Sorry, that is a counterfeit.

[nolemmings]

Sorry Tim, but I have to agree that the Speaker is no good.

It should have a lighter coloring and more gloss, although maybe the scans betray its actual appearance.

More importantly, the hash marks that frame the ad message on the back are not genuine. They should have wider spacing and present a noticeable broad-thin-thin, broad-thin-thin pattern.

Finally, while I have not seen a confirmed D350-3 Speaker, I would expect it to have a large projection image found in m101-6 and e121-80, likely with a designation of mgr. or manager instead of O.F. Yours lines up more with an e121-120, produced after the e121 set of 80 and almost certainly after Standard Biscuit would have concluded their D350-3 effort.

[rhettyeakley]

Yeah, it is a counterfeit card from the 1970's that was made by a lady named Janet H[ellein].

She sold to many collectors via mail order during that decade. The fake cards consisted of Standard Biscuit, Henry Johnson, N172 Old Judge, Home Run Kisses and a few others. I have a small collection of the fakes that I have picked from from a few sources over the years along with some of the original letters from the fraudster. The counterfeit cards still show up in older collections that hit the hobby.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Yeah, it is a counterfeit card from the 1970's that was made by a lady named Janet H[ellein].

She sold to many collectors via mail order during that decade. The fake cards consisted of Standard Biscuit, Henry Johnson, N172 Old Judge, Home Run Kisses and a few others. I have a small collection of the fakes that I have picked from from a few sources over the years along with some of the original letters from the fraudster. The counterfeit cards still show up in older collections that hit the hobby.

Here's a related thread that I happened upon a few months ago when researching Standard Biscuit cards. It is fascinating and worth a read.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=235236

[chalupacollects]

Ouch, well a lesson learned! Thanks for all the help! and for the origins of it...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Yeah, it is a counterfeit card from the 1970's that was made by a lady named Janet H[ellein].

She sold to many collectors via mail order during that decade. The fake cards consisted of Standard Biscuit, Henry Johnson, N172 Old Judge, Home Run Kisses and a few others. I have a small collection of the fakes that I have picked from from a few sources over the years along with some of the original letters from the fraudster. The counterfeit cards still show up in older collections that hit the hobby.

That's good info to know!

I picked this up at the first show I went to, in 1978. was told it was fake shortly after by the dealer whose shop I hung out at.

figured out much later that Wood isn't in that set, and the back is reading the wrong way.

I always wondered who went to the effort of having it printed for a whole $2 sale.

Now I know

[Leon]

His name might be Larry....King of happy meal valued card fraud.

Originally Posted by steve B

That's good info to know!

I picked this up at the first show I went to, in 1978. was told it was fake shortly after by the dealer whose shop I hung out at.

figured out much later that Wood isn't in that set, and the back is reading the wrong way.

I always wondered who went to the effort of having it printed for a whole $2 sale.

Now I know