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Old 05-10-2022, 09:21 PM
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Default How many to a series? Let's see some 1955 Bowman miscuts and uncut material

I love the Bowman TV cards. The conventional wisdom is that large Bowman's were printed on 32 card sheets and issued in fairly small series of 32 or 64 cards. 1954 Bowman Football (the set preceding the 55 Baseball's; I'm not sure when Power for Peace and US Navy fall into the timeline of 1954) probably was done this way, 4 series of 32 cards. 1955 Bowman Football (the set printed after the 55 Baseball's) was probably 5 sets of 32 cards by the conventional wisdom (I think the first series probably had 2 sheets worth).

Anyways, this seems to be very wrong to me. 1955 Bowman Baseball seems to only have 2 series, 1-224 and 225-320. Cards 1-64 have a blonde wood border, 65-320 have a dark wood. 225-320 are clearly extant in significantly reduced numbers. Cards numbered from 65-224 show evidence when miscut of bordering cards 1-64, and cards 1-64 show evidence of bordering higher numbered cards on the sheet.

Here's #27 Preston Ward clearly bordering a card numbered above 64. And here's #217 Crandall with a 1-64 next to him (other miscuts show a second 1-64 card was adjacent to Crandall to top [with the sheet oriented so that the cards are facing the viewer correctly]).


I think the evidence strongly suggests the common narrative is, like so many of them repeated in card land, false. A sheet of 220 cards would be awfully massive considering what Bowman was usually working with. It may also have been a skip numbered issue. I don't know, all I know is that the evidence doesn't support the story I've always heard.

Anyone have 1955 Bowman uncut material? Miscuts like these to show? I'd love to be able to eventually have enough public material to settle some of the questions about this issue.
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:24 PM
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33 Fox with a 65+ card to right.

34 Courney with a 65+ card to right.

31 Temple with a 65+ card to left.
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:26 PM
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#2 Dark with a 65+ to right.

#25 Minoso with a 65+ to left.
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:27 PM
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#8 Hacker with a red stripe at bottom and left. A thin red stripe sometimes separates a 1-64 blonde card form a 65+ dark card, but it's usually very thin.
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:29 PM
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#40 Wertz with a 65+ card below and to the right.

And then one with a blue and black bottom
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:34 PM
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222 Kemmerer with a 1-64 left

223 Jeffcoat with a 1-64 left.
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:37 AM
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.....Cards 1-64 have a blonde wood border, 65-320 have a dark wood. 225-320 are clearly extant in significantly reduced numbers. Cards numbered from 65-224 show evidence when miscut of bordering cards 1-64, and cards 1-64 show evidence of bordering higher numbered cards on the sheet....
Here is a #67 Larsen dark border next to a light border card.
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Gene Baker #7
Bill Tutle #35
Toby Atwell #164
Jim Busby #166
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some interesting looking cards. They remind me of watching tv on the early wood/panel style TV's.

I am not sure if i like them or not.
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Here is a #263 E Joost with an adjoining brown edge miscut
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Old 07-11-2022, 06:49 PM
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Just finished this (last card #257 on the way). I enjoyed it, good mix of Hofers, high numbers, variations and stars. Some neat umpire cards which can be tougher. Only flaw is no rookie power, although the presence of Mantle makes me like it better than Topps. Also looks pretty good in high grade although the backs are really tough to find not miscut, even with a perfectly centered front.
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I always thought it was odd that the famous 55B pack break a few years ago contained both, Ernie Banks (a high #) and Mickey Mantle (not a high number). If these were from different series, they shouldn't have been in the same pack. I think.
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I'm just depressed that my thread-reactivating, hoytstanding discovery was nothing. Bummer.
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I'm just depressed that my thread-reactivating, hoytstanding discovery was nothing. Bummer.
Hoytstanding, I see what you did there! It’s not nothing, just a different something. I’m not clear on the colored bar lines on some borders, I’m not sure if it denotes the edge of a sheet. It’s recurring on a ton of the cards. There’s definitely clues into all the layouts with them
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