1936 Wide Pen Lloyd Waner question

[SMPEP]

Okay, at the risk of asking a dumb question, can someone explain to me why the 1936 Goudey Wide Pen r314 Type 1 Lloyd Waner without Lithograph is considered a Type 1 card by the guidebooks instead of a type 2?

Seems to me the card should be more accurately catagorized as a type 2 since those normally come without a lithograph and Lloyd Waner is not in that series.

The only rationale I can come up with as to why it is a Type 1 variation card instead of type 2 is because if it is ... there are 120 cards (versus 119) in the Type 1 set and 24 (versus 25) in the type 2 set ... and those numbers are both divisable by 12 (and 3 and 4) and therefore that makes sense as a logical number for the series to be layed out on uncut sheets.

But is there another or better reason than just the number of cards?

Thanks (and sorry if this is a dumb question - but it has me stummped)!
Patrick

[paul]

Not a dumb question at all. I'm not sure I have the right answer, but here is my best guess.

The "with litho" and "without litho" cards are two entirely separate sets. They have different players and poses. In contrast, the "without litho" cards are the exact same set as the borderless cards. They have the exact same players and the exact same poses. So, the "without litho" cards and borderless cards are really just two variations of the same set.

If you look at a complete set of the borderless cards, you'll find that there's no Lloyd Waner. This means that Lloyd Waner can't be in the "without litho" set. So the Lloyd Waner card is actually a member o the "with litho" set. The card is just missing the litho designation due to some sort of printer's error.

At least I think that's right.

[SMPEP]

Ahh ... that makes sense. (All I could come up with was the number in the set - and that just didn't feel right!)

Thanks!
Patrick