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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Richard L.
Anyone else wondering what the winning bid would have been if the auction would have run it's course. If you check the bid history, there was a bid for 8k. In the bidders question section, seller says auction will NOT be ended early. Guess fasteddy had a change of heart. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
This seller has been very bizarre. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: double-p-enterprises
Simple, the guy is a liar. He/she also will not answer any questions about their items and in my opinion, does not own them |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
double-p why would the seller be lying? Are they trying to scam someone? If so, why wouldn't they accept an offer to end the listing and take their money and run? I know they have received many private offes for the card and rejected them all. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Dan Bretta
On Dec-19-07 at 06:06:53 PST, seller added the following information: |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
he ended all his listings at least once before and then relisted them the same day - I don't know if that's his bizarre way of attracting attention or what. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Steve Murray
"LOCATED AT ITS NEW HOME: WEB SITE -- WWW. T-206COLLECTOR.COM" |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Doug
It says the auction "WII" not end early. Perhaps he meant he wouldn't end it early for anything other than an Nintendo Wii... |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
Doug - clearly he meant nothing short of world war 2 would stop the auction. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Dave F
On Dec-22-07 at 20:52:44 PST, seller added the following information: |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
congrats to Paul, but kind of sucks for the rest of us - the seller promised me via email that no offer I could make would have him end the listing early. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Well it's a good thing everyone got their "Shot at The Train". |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Turner Engle
Hope the seller tapes the end of the box on this card! |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Doug
There's a post on the t206collector.com website that says |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Joe Drouillard
I visited Paul's site earlier this evening. Sure sounds like he got it. In any case I hope so, no one will treat the card with more respect. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Looks like Paul owes his wife an extra Christmas gift this year. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jon Canfield
I spoke with the seller earlier and Paul did get it. Congrats Paul! I had a $6k snipe in so I wonder if anything was left on the table? |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
When I saw this listing, I shared my signed T206 collection with the seller. I showed him my website and described how important it was for me to add this card to my collection. That set off a very long and interesting e-mail conversation that took us through the entire week. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Paul, good for you, it's a great(est) addition. I also appreciate that you informed the $6000 and $8000 bidders that they wouldn't have won the card anyway had the auction run it's course; these bidders would have not slept tonight otherwise. Congrats! |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Rhys
I know it is in a PSA/DNA holder and that is the bottom line, but I do not like the looks of that signature. Some of the telltale marks of a good Johnson are missing and it looks very deliberate. I am not an authenticator, but as someone who has owned several authentic Walter Johnson signatures and am familiar with them as an autograph collector, I would have laughed at that signature had it not already been authenticated. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Putting aside his promises not to end the auction early, he is a very stand up guy and really a gentleman. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
....is definitely a risky venture. In the end, unless you saw the person sign it you are taking a leap of faith. The card was apparently graded during the Spence/Grad era and, notwithstanding some of the dirt flung towards Spence lately for a poor Sal Bando decision, he is the guy I trust most with my vintage signatures. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Rob, fair point. But considering how much Paul wanted this card, had the seller been Jeffrey Dahmer Paul would have still said, "putting aside the seller's penchant for eating strangers, he is a really stand up guy." |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
...about that Jeff. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: James Feagin
Paul, |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
For the record, I don't question Paul at all for doing what he thought necessary to get the card. It was the seller's decision to place a higher value on a sum of money than on his word. That's not Paul's fault. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: James Feagin
You know what they say, money talks B.S. walks. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
...holier than thou. If that's the way I came across, then I apologize. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Matt
I don't think asking to end a listing early is in poor form either; however, when the seller has already denied several people that request and made that statement publicly in the listing, it's a different animal. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jason L
great card, neat story...looking forward to seeing the pages you build around it! |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Adam
Congratulations to Paul, I think it's wonderful this card will now be with him. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
...But he didn't tell me about any Cubbies stuff. He's been collecting for years and has just started divesting himself of some pretty neat items. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: quan
i don't think anyone would've gone 12k+ for the card so either way the same person would've had it in the end. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Glen Turner
....like I have always said get your card (signed or unsigned) in a PSA/DNA holder or a PSA 9 or 10 holder and it definitely increases its value whether or not it is an authentic signature or the card is graded correctly or not. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: JK
"I don't think asking to end a listing early is in poor form either; when the seller has already denied several people that request and made that statement publicly in the listing, it's a different animal" |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Richard Simon
For the information of all - |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: John
"i don't think anyone would've gone 12k+ for the card so either way the same person would've had it in the end." |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Brett
Signed pre war cards are pretty neat and i often wonder what year the players signed some of these. It would be cool if someone had a signed one during the years that the cards were actually made or sometime during their playing days. I'd love to own a signed e98 Mathewson or a signed e94 Wagner Does anyone have a list of known signed caramel t206 era cards ??? |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Adam
Brett's question made me think of 2 questions: |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Brett - I think signed caramel cards are much more scarce than signed tobacco cards. I know Paul has an E95 Doyle. I remember a few years back, someone owned an E95 signed Carrigan although I have no idea what has happened to it. I also have an E96 signed Mack. I'm not sure of any other 1910s era signed caramel cards although I'm sure some other float around. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Glen Turner
Read RHYS, RICHARD SIMON and my other post. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Fred C
If the signature is real then thats a totally awesome piece! |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: MVSNYC
nothing personal Paul, i'm just not a huge fan of what happened here...i just think it should have stayed its course and finished properly...the winner should have to fight for it all the way til the end (especially a big-ticket item)...there could have been several people watching it, who had ridiculously high snipes in place...my guess is that somewhere, someone (or maybe several people) are NOT happy. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Once there are legitimate bids on an item I am pretty much against asking to end the item. I will admit I have have asked people to end items (or preferably add a Buy It Now) on ebay before (as many people have) but I have never done so once a legitimate bid has been placed, just doesn't seem right to me. This case was definately a little wierd how everything played out. It does seem unusual that if the individual that eventually got it was so sure he would have topped all bids, why not just bid on the thing and do it the old fashioned way. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Dan Kravitz
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: T206Collector
...I wouldn't have been outbid. On ebay, unlike most other auction formats, which give you a chance to extend the time of the auction in extended bidding, you never know what snipes are lurking in the dark. Hence my interest in ending the auction early. We'll never know if someone else was coming in higher than what I paid--but what I paid was higher than the prices discussed above. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: John
The way I see it there are only two reasons to end and auction early. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Paul, Congrats on your purchase and thanks for sharing the story. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Paul - I can personally verify there being an authenticated Cicotte T-206. I do not own it, but I have seen it, held it, know exactly who owns it, etc - and probably can get a scan of it after the holidays. |
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T206 Johnson psa/dna ended early????
Posted By: Joe D.
I don't think Paul did anything wrong here. |
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