T205 Hoblitzell no stats?

[jayshum]

I'm guessing this isn't an actual Hoblitzell no stats back, but shouldn't there be something in the description to indicate that? I know that Greg Morris Cards never has any description other than the info in the title of the listing, but in this case, I think they should have made an exception.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13412186088...53.m1431.l2649

[ullmandds]

Power eraser!

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Power eraser!

Not an expert , but,
Yes

[RCMcKenzie]

T205 Hobby no stats have only been found with the Hassan 30 back. If it has a Hassan 30 back, the stats are missing on this subject. He does say 'low grade filler' for the Cycle, which it is. Still could be confusing, unless you read the board. I learned this info from reading the board over the years.

[jayshum]

The listing was just ended. It will be interesting to see if the card gets relisted with any additional information about it.

[T205 GB]

That card does not even close to authentic. That’s an altered card made to try to cheat someone out of some money at one point. I’m sure Gregg is well aware that it’s not a no stats back. It looks like somebody got their finger wet and rub the stats off. Definitely water or some type of moisture used in the process of removing that area.

You can tell how moisture was used because when you look at where the paper tearing is it’s a very subtle and soft tear like the fibers kind of got pulled out of the area. Just moisture as small as licking your finger on rubbing it across there will cause the paper to start rolling up. If you keep it wet enough you can essentially peel off a thin layer of paper leaving nothing there. You’d have to be a mighty fine car doctor to be able to fix that area up but I am not one bit surprised IF some of the cards we already have was created in modern times.

[nebboy]

Yes I’m outing a on going EBay auction —- BUT —- it’s back. The power egressed
Hoblitzell no stats altered card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385493805278

[G1911]

I am sure Morris will take the time to write a single sentence in the listing calling it out this time.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by G1911

I am sure Morris will take the time to write a single sentence in the listing calling it out this time.

To me this is a massive black eye for Gregg. He knows what's up with this card already. His willingness to keep the card only to be relisted just as vague is a direct act to dupe a buyer IMO.

[brianp-beme]

Listing for the card has been removed, much like the stats on its back.

Brian

[G1911]

How many months until he has it back it up without a description?

[jayshum]

The listing wasn't removed. It's ending at 7:02 PM tonight.

[trambo]

Definitely altered as others have already said. the No Stats card only comes with a Hassan back. I believe the Cincinnati after 1908 is the only variation that comes in a Cycle back.

[Directly]

$225.00

[G1911]

A PSA 4 Cycle Hoblitzell sold last month on eBay for $152. I wonder why Morris got more for this one? Hm. Crazy. Buyer should know better but ripping people off by declining to disclose known alteration to make a card appear as a tougher card shouldn’t be accepted because the dealer is popular.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The listing wasn't removed. It's ending at 7:02 PM tonight.

Well, I'll be snickerdoodled! I thought I checked the link that John provided and the listing had been removed.

With a $225 auction result, I guess my unintentional sabotaging of this spurious card listing was all for naught.

Brian

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Directly

$225.00

Unfortunately, it went for under $250 so it won't go through the eBay Authentication Process. It would have been interesting to know how that went since the description is just "low grade (filler)" in the title with no claim that it's the no stats variation.

[53toppscollector]

looks like its back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385876647132

[G1911]

Eventually Morris will get away with this scam. Third attempt now.

[collectt205]

Back again!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31511594554...mis&media=COPY

[Fred]

Wow, not much gets by this board.

For clarification - is my understanding correct? This is the fourth time GMCARDS has tried to sell this card?

The previous links don't work so perhaps a screen shot of this latest one would be something to post (in case there's a fifth time).

Now for the stupid comment - Maybe there's a GMCARDS vault and the sellers keep it with GMCARDS and the latest seller is pulling it from the vault to make a few bucks. HEY - it's a joke!

What's the speculation here? GMCARDS sold the card 3x and it's been returned 3x and now it's going up for grabs a fourth time in an effort to make a few dollars (and potentially screw up a good reputation)?

It's difficult to rationalize this.

Edited to add - a first tiime poster outs this? I'm guessing it's a second ID for a board member. Why not just use your N54 user ID.

[G1911]

I do not get why Greg Morris is so dedicated to selling this card without any disclosures. It's dishonest, at absolute best. There is absolutely no way they don't know what they are doing by now. It's a little funny, his commission will be what, a few bucks on the sale if a buyer eventually doesn't return it because it's altered? I guess it doesn't matter, because most will jump to defend them because our hobby expects money and has little but distaste for honesty or disclosure.

[G1911]

Morris got only $86 on their fourth attempt to sell this card without disclosure. Maybe this buyer will keep it. Maybe GM will try to pass it off a fifth time and dupe another sucker in a few months.

[Fred]

Someone could easily stir up a hornets here by saying "if someone soaked the card, they could clean up the back so the erasure isn't noticed", but that would only incite a board riot.

Look at the flip side of this, at least the item description doesn't indicate "1911 T205 Gold Border Set-Break Dick Hoblitzell Cycle VG-VGEX (crease) - NO STATS"

Edited to add - but I get the point, a disclosure of the card being altered to remove the stats should probably be provided. Kind of like the "nodgrass" T206 being sold in a PSA holder that indicates it's a Snodgrass card but should probably be in an ALTERED holder because the "S" was erased.

Second edit to add the link to the "nograss" thread: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=343446

[Eggoman]

I don't often get to be the first one to post anything because there are SO MANY folks here with KILLER Collections, but here's MY chance...

A REAL one!! (FULL DISCLOSURE - THANKS to my "MRS" for talking me into bidding ONE LAST TIME...)

Thanks, Bee!

[trambo]

Nice PSA 3!! I was lucky enough to upgrade my 2.5 about a year ago and I never thought I'd upgrade it. Such a beast of a card in any grade but in 3 or higher...wow!. Congrats!!!

[53toppscollector]

Also for future reference and help for anyone that might not be aware, here are the possible backs for the 4 different Hoblitzell cards

Cin After 1908 Stats (the most common):

Piedmont 25
Polar Bear
Honest
Sovereign
American Beauty
Cycle
Broad Leaf
Drum

No Cin After 1908

Piedmont 25
Sweet Cap Red
Polar Bear

Name Misspelled

Sweet Cap Red

No Stats

Hassan 30

[Leon]

That's a great looking specimen!

Originally Posted by Eggoman

I don't often get to be the first one to post anything because there are SO MANY folks here with KILLER Collections, but here's MY chance...

A REAL one!! (FULL DISCLOSURE - THANKS to my "MRS" for talking me into bidding ONE LAST TIME...)

Thanks, Bee!

[Eggoman]

Thanks, Leon!

I'll tell my wife you said that!