Curious if anyone has had cards graded since the alteration/PWCC debacle

[Kenny Cole]

I was an EMT in college while I was working my way through school. Long ago.
circa 1982-83. This is reminding me of that. You kind of steeled yourself for the awful shit you were going to see and moved on after was done. I kind of figured out a way to live with it then. Maybe not so much now. This is bullshit.

[swarmee]

Did you ask for a full refund?

And BTW, did you happen to submit these in toploaders with tape at the top? The only other time I remember hearing something like this is when someone posted on the PSA/CU board that their entire 100 card order (of varied sets/players) came back ?AUTHCTY (aka fake) because they submitted them in toploaders and taped the tops. I am sure that thread no longer exists.

[lowpopper]

This happens occasionally...but once the graders get spooked, it’s hard to reverse the curse.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I was an EMT in college while I was working my way through school. Long ago.
circa 1982-83. This is reminding me of that. You kind of steeled yourself for the awful shit you were going to see and moved on after was done. I kind of figured out a way to live with it then. Maybe not so much now. This is bullshit.

I knew it was bad, but given that what we're now seeing is just relatively recent examples of one doctor's work, and extrapolating from that to what I now think must be out there both from him and the many others who have done this for decades, it's effing ridiculous.

At some point PSA, in my opinion, has to address this. It's going to get beyond message boards if it hasn't already. And I really don't know what they can say, to be honest.

Not long ago given marketplace trends I was regretting a bit that some of my better cards are in SGC holders. I feel OK about that right now.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At some point PSA, in my opinion, has to address this. It's going to get beyond message boards if it hasn't already. And I really don't know what they can say, to be honest.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...s-vault-option

They're actually allowing this thread on PSA/CU boards, so that's amazing. Read page 3.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...s-vault-option

They're actually allowing this thread on PSA/CU boards, so that's amazing. Read page 3.

Who is 707ToppsFanatic?
I never read that board precisely because they "poof" everything, interesting.

[Exhibitman]

Tuesday I received grades on a bulk order that went in last year. Nothing amiss; usual PSA inconsistency. One card rejected for min-size that was just perfect. I would not have sent in the cards today given the circumstances.

[calvindog]

PSA has traditionally circled the wagons and done what’s best for them and not the collector in times like this. Their incompetence has been shown to be so extreme in connection with the Moser cards that one would think now would be the time to own up and come clean. But they won’t. Even worse, they should explain why they accepted submissions from Moser in Moser’s own name for decades, knowing full well what he was. As I’m certain they’ll continue to screw the collector in order to benefit themselves, they need to be sued and forced to publicly account for all of this.

[swarmee]

Well, I'm speaking with my wallet and my signature lines here and on blowout. No more grading/authentication with any company until they confess, take their lumps, and make it right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PSA has traditionally circled the wagons and done what’s best for them and not the collector in times like this. Their incompetence has been shown to be so extreme in connection with the Moser cards that one would think now would be the time to own up and come clean. But they won’t. Even worse, they should explain why they accepted submissions from Moser in Moser’s own name for decades, knowing full well what he was. As I’m certain they’ll continue to screw the collector in order to benefit themselves, they need to be sued and forced to publicly account for all of this.

There won't be a change in corporate culture, but it's possible I suppose this could affect the contingent liability for their guaranty which in turn could interest analysts who they would have a much harder time shutting down than collectors. Or if this gets some serious media attention beyond message boards, analysts might pick up on it.