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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: davidcycleback
It has often been said that a starting pitcher shouldn't be MVP as he plays one out of every five games, while an outfielder or second baseman plays all five games. However, it is arguable that a pitcher has a substantially larger enough impact in each start so as to equal the lesser batter impact in all five games. |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: peter chao
David, |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Mike
I guess a recent example would be a Minnesota Twins decision made a few years ago, where they had to decide between pitching Phenom prospect Mark Prior, or phenom prospect catcher Joe Mauer. Obviously took Mauer. Prior is constantly on injured reserve. Adding of course that any player is subject to injury. But when a starting pitcher goes down, for whatever reason, it really disrupts the starting rotation. To take it a bit further, would Ruth have been more valuable as a pitcher, or an outfielder? In my mind an every day player, who can contribute over many years, is much more valuable that a player who only contributes every fourth or fifth day. If you had to pick between Koufax and Mays, who would you pick ? |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
I wouldn't measure it in terms of at bats affected, but this way. Replacing an average pitcher with a great pitcher can, all things equal, mean up to 10 (or even more) wins. That can easily be the difference between 3rd place and the pennant. I am not sure the incremental difference between an average position player and a superstar translates into 10-12 more wins. |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Jason L
difference in Bill James' calculations...? |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Justin
Based on how teams spend their money it would seem pitching is valued higher than everyday players on average. |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Eric B
The Twins wanted Prior very badly but couldn't meet his asking price. That's when they went to Mauer. Obviously it worked out well. |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: peter chao
Justin, |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Justin
That's why teams are willing to pay Jeff Weaver, Vicente Padilla, AJ Burnett et al. in the 8-10 million range even though they are awful. An everyday player who has proven his mediocrity couldn't command that much. |
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Discussion Topic: Everyday Player Versus Pitcher
Posted By: Mike
Over paying an average pitcher, more than an average fielder, doesn't make it right. But you are right. They seem to fling big dollars at pitchers. Give me a good shortstop, over a good pitcher any time. I know it is not PC, but that's my opinion. |
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