E91 Hans Wagner Question

[Tsaiko]

Is there another series of cards that has Hans Wagner in the same pose as the E91 Hans Wagner, standing with bat, which is the same as the E91 Tinker standing with bat? If so, which one(s) and a scan would be most welcome.

Thanks for any info.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I'm not an expert on this but don't believe there is any other Wagner card like that one.

[Leon]

I don't think there are any other poses like that one either. Of course other Wagner poses are used on a whole bunch of sets, many being the same pose.

[brianp-beme]

There is no other Wagner pose as seen in the E91C set, as the Wagner E91C is actually an artistic rendering of Tinker's face placed on a generic body.

Brian

[Tsaiko]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Another mystery solved - for me anyway.

Yea brianp-beme, they are too similar, with just the faintest of details that make them different. Mostly the lettering on the cap of Tinker and a mole at the right of his lips.

Actually, I'm still questioning this.
On this card, his right eye seems to have been "filled in" and the left eye seems to be looking left, which is different from what I have. It may be just a blemish on the card or a bad scan and I don't have a scan at the moment, so can someone with this card do a comparison?
http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-E91-America...#ht_500wt_1182

Thanks,

[brianp-beme]

The artwork between the E91A, E91B and E91C sets was not changed, just the names. So any moles, crossed-eyes or other seeming variations are just the result of the quality of registration, printer's defect or the scan of the card. In my opinion the E91C Honus Wagner is Wagner in name only, unlike (for example) Christy Mathewson in the E91A set, which actually depicts Mathewson...do a search and locate the E91 article thread and you will get the full story of my theories on these sets.

Brian

[tedzan]

I agree with the previous post here that this pix of Wagner appears to be unique in the bigger picture of Wagner cards.

The real question is....is this really Wagner and not some other player that the American Caramel Co. pictured on this card ?

I don't know of any source photo of Wagner for this pose.


TED Z

[barrysloate]

It doesn't even look like Wagner, but as Brian said it does look like Tinker. As we've said on previous threads, some E91's look pretty close to the player depicted, such as Plank, and many don't. Wagner is clearly one that doesn't.

[Griffins]

While we're on the E91c Wagner, I've got a question- i've got this one, which has proof marks, but I'm sure it's not a proof. It if was a T206 I'm sure it would go thru the roof, but what is the deal with these? I've seen a few with the reg marks, and at the same time I've got a few uncut strips without them.

[bijoem]

anthony -

I have seen those marks on various caramel issues.

It is very strange to me.

I can't think of a great reason why a printer would want or need those marks so close to the artwork.

My best guess:
Sometimes if a printer is forced to print on a sheet that is too small to include the marks and a bleed area - they will put marks within the artwork (to help registration / or as a guide for cutting / in your case - registration). After the pressman gets the press going and is happy with the results / the marks will be polished out (erased from the plate) and the print run will continue. So... the cards with the marks - - like your card - - would be from the beginning of the print run.

It is very interesting.

[Tsaiko]

Thanks guys! Impressive, a forum with a search engine that actually works. Well, I'm 99.99 percent sure that what I have is a trimmed (missing position and team name) E91 Wagner, which is weird because none of the other cards in my collection, from the same person, are trimmed.

So any moles, crossed-eyes or other seeming variations are just the result of the quality of registration, printer's defect or the scan of the card.

You're probably right Brian and I've probably been looking too closely at these, but the Ted Z scan and the one in the auction looks so different in the eyes, eye brows and lips that I thought there might be a variation. Neither one of them look exactly like my card, but I see this has been discussed before and that there is a general agreement on this set. It looks to me like a different artist showed up to work each day

Thanks for rehashing this for my benefit.