T206 Challenge....try for a Quintuplicate Type Set ?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

OK, you T206 "junkies", if you want to get a real "fix", try this challenge....collect a White Border card with their QUINT-
UPLICATE back design.

A prior thread elaborated on the design similarities of the backs of the American Beauty 350, Broad Leaf 350, Cycle 350
and DRUM (A-B-C-D) cards, and including the 1910 Coupon (Type 1) back.





Candidates for this "adventure" that can be found with the A-B-C-D backs and the 1910 Coupon are the following.....

Beals Becker
Chief Bender (trees)
Frank Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappy Charles
Hal Chase (portrait-blue)
Ty Cobb (portrait-red)
Birdie Cree
Bill Donovan (throwing)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Clyde Engle
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Topsy Hartsel
Danny Hoffman (St Louis)
Miller Huggins (portrait)
Ed Killian (portrait)
Otto Knabe
Frank LaPorte
Ed Lennox
Rube Marquard (portrait)
Doc Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
Mike Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Chief Myers (fielding)
Dode Paskert
Boss Schmidt (portrait)
Charlie Starr
Gabby Street (portrait)
Ed Summers
Bill Sweeney (Boston)
Ira Thomas
Ed Willett
Owen Wilson



So, if any Net54er is willing to accept this challenge and acquire all FIVE backs of any one of these Subjects......I
will treat him, or her, to the finest restaurant of their choice (e.g., Ruth's Chris Steak House, William Penn Inn, Peter
Luger's, etc., etc.).



T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Art M.

Hi Ted,
I have the following in my collection:

Summers, Detroit
AB350
BL350
Cycle 350
Drum 350
Coupon type 1
Coupon type 2 (not Detroit)

Killian, portrait
AB350
BL350
Cycle 350
Drum 350
Coupon type 1

McIntyre, Detroit
AB350
BL350
Cycle 350
Coupon type 1
(missing the Drum 350 on McIntyre)

I will try and post scans when I can. In the meantime I will begin fasting.
Regards,
Art

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Posted By: Tim

I am trying to complete sets for three of the above listed players.

Becker, Starr, and Sweeney (Boston)

If anyone can help please let me know.

I have a Sweeney AB 350.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

ART M

Great going guy.....since we are 3000 miles apart, do enjoy dining at your favorite restaurant
and send me the bill.

Or, if you can wait till Cleveland (next August) and we'll find a fine restaurant there.

Or, if you are heading East in the meantime, I'll take you to a fine dining places here in Pennsy.

When I was typing this post, I figured either you or Brian Weisner would respond first.

Thanks for sharing.....those "quintuplicate" sub-sets you have are awesome. I hope others on
this forum appreciate how difficult this achievement is.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

ART M

Next to Chase and Johnson, Delehanty is my favorite T206. So, here is the closest I have gotten to a quintuplicate sub-set......






And, as you well know, I will never complete this quintuplicate sub-set since Delehanty was not in the 1910 Coupon set.

But, I have a chance to complete Chance and Chase (portrait)....scans will follow.


TED Z

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Posted By: Joe_G.

Art !, fantastic collection of Detroits, glad you don't collect 19th century. I knew you had insane back combos, can't wait to see the scans.

Best Regards,
Joe Gonsowski

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Posted By: Anonymous

I have a Chance Broadleaf and Coupon. Drum's got to be the toughie.

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Hey Ted

here is what I have

Slagle
AB 350
BL 350
Cycle 350
Drum 350
Coupon- not avalible

Strang
AB 350
BL 350
Cycle 350
Drum 350
Coupon- not avalible

Dunn
AB 350
BL 350
Cycle 350
Drum-need it
Coupon type 1
Coupon type 2

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Three Chance cards....two more to go for the Quintuplicate....the two toughest.



TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You are powerfully close on Dunn. Do you know if this Dunn exists with a DRUM back ?

I have never seen one, myself.

With Slagle & Strang, you have the same situation as me with Delehanty.....it is tough enough to acquire the A-B-C-D combo
of a given player. But, if American Litho. (ALC) didn't print that Subject with a Coupon back, you are short of a Quintuplicate.
Indeed, ALC did not print in their 1910 Coupon series any of the 86 Minor Leaguers from the 350-only series of the T206 set.

As always, thanks for your inputs on this subject.


TED Z

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Posted By: George L

Happy to see you still have that Summers BL 350 I sold you. Happy it went to a true collector.

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Ted

I have never seen Dunn/Drum but I really think it exists and I hope I am the one that finds it.

You know how long we have been doing this and just this past week I found a Baltimore combo that I thought did not exist. Jackson /Carolina Brights!
There are combos out there that have not come to light yet and collectors like this board has will turn them up!

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JIM R

Between the 2 of us, if a Joe Dunn with a DRUM back exists, one of us will find it. One of the "mystiques" of The Mon-
ster....is when you least expect it, a long-sought-after card will show up. And, if I find it first, it's yours. Then we will
celebrate your completing the Quintuplicate back-set of this card.

Hopefully, this will happen before the March Valley Forge Show....then I will treat you, Janna and Jim Jr. at the nearby
William Penn Inn.


Perhaps, some T206 collector on Net54 will respond with any information on this card with a DRUM back......




TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JIM R

The Quintuplicate back set that I am trying to complete is Mr. Chase (blue portrait)......I need the COUPON and the DRUM.

I have never seen Chase with a DRUM back. This Chase is one of the Six Super-Prints and the only two of them have been
confirmed with a DRUM back....Cobb and Evers.






Any help on acquiring COUPON and DRUM cards of this Hal Chase card would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In another thread you said......

"Ted

I think I am the lone hold out but on this one I just won't rewrite history. Burdick said T213 had brown captions and blue captions.
He didn't differintiate type 2's and 3's but he did make note of the Coupon T213-1's being on heavy paper, which they are. Again, I
know I am almost the lone hold out but I am going by the book on this one. I know he made mistakes but we have mistakes in many
areas of life that we accept ie...the English language and other places. Coupons are T213's, just as they have been classified for 70
yrs"


If you do not mind, I will respond here....since this thread is currently more applicable to the Coupon (Type 1) cards than the other.

1st, I'll grant Burdick a "pass" on missing the significance of the 1910 Coupon cards as they relate to the White Border cards (T206).
Burdick had an overwhelming variety of cards to catalog to devote much effort with a series of seldom seen cards, such as this Cou-
pon set.

And, let's start with why the 1910 Coupon (so-called T213-1) cards are so seldom seen. Even though Coupon Cigarettes (Louisiana)
were part of the American Tobacco Co. trust, there was pending legal action. And, I feel this factor led to the limited production of
the 1910 Coupon series.

So, let's focus on the aspects of the Type 1 Coupon cards that fall under the rubric of the T206 issue......

1....Stylized frame and artwork of the Coupon Tobacco adv. backs is identical to the Amer. Beauty, Broad Leaf, Cycle, and Drum.
All 5 of these advertising backs were designed and printed in the Spring/Summer of 1910 by American Lithographic.

2....Brown lettering in captions

3....Commonality of Major League Subjects from the T206 350-only Series and T206 Southern League Subjects in the Coupon set.

4....No glossy effect, as seen on T213-2 & T213-3 cards.

Perhaps, there are other identifying factors to reinforce the argument that the 1910 Coupon back is the 16th T-brand of the White
Border set Burdick named "T206"....however, the above four factors is all I need to convince me.

Therefore, in my opinion, if these 68 Coupon cards look like a Duck.....and quack like a Duck.....and waddle like a Duck.....then, they
are indeed T206's.


T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

This is as far as I can go with the Billy Campbell backs. This T206 Subject, I can say with 99% certainty,
will not be found with a DRUM back. How do I know......stay tuned, it will be the topic of another thread.






TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

A Net54 reader emailed me with his near-Quintuplicate back set of George Hunter.

He has American Beauty, Broadleaf, Coupon, and Cycle......needs the DRUM back.

Hunter pitched for the Brooklyn Superbas in 1909. His Major League career ended
in May 1910. Therefore, I don't think Hunter was printed with a DRUM back.

But, one really never knows for sure about such things.....so, can any of you out
there in Net54-land vouch for a DRUM back on this card ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Art M.

Here are my scans of the T206 Killian, Detroit and Summers, Detroit with American Beauty 350, Broad Leaf 350, Cycle 350, Drum 350, and T213-1 Coupon:

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Art,
Great stuff!!! You are the Tiger collecting King....

I hope you are well. Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

ART

Thanks for showing us your Quintuplicate sets.....really cool.....and, really rare.

TED Z

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Posted By: barry arnold

Art,

i'm impressed.
Thanks very much for sharing.
Do report back about the fancy meal you're receiving from TRex!

best,

barry

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[tedzan]

Sorrt guys

I accidently popped up this old thread.

TED Z

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[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sorrt guys

I accidently popped up this old thread.

TED Z

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Don't be sorry. I hadn't seen it. Looks like a cool challenge. Since I already have an Ira Thomas Drum, that would be the easiest place to start. Chief Meyers is the one I'd like to do. I have decent type 1s of Chase, Dunn, and Donovan. Anyone have a Drum of Meyers to trade for an Ira Thomas? Or a Type 1 Meyers for one of mine?

[tedzan]

Meyers (portrait) is a 460-only subject....and therefore, does not exist with the DRUM back.

Myers (fielding) exists with the DRUM back.

Myers (batting) I expect will be found with the DRUM back.


TED Z

[tedzan]

The blue Hal Chase card is my favorite T206. I've been searching for years to find its DRUM card to complete my Quintuplicate sub-set of this Chase.
Has anyone out there seen this DRUM ? ...... I have never seen it.








In 2007, I introduced my "A-B-C-D" T206 back concept. Then, I expanded this sub-set to include the 1910 COUPON cards (some of us consider this set of cards
as part of the T206 set). These COUPON cards have the same stylized back design as the.....AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM.....This series
of COUPON cards were issued circa Spring/Summer 1910. They apparently were a promo for this new ATC cigarette brand (which initially was distributed in boxes)
labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes. No cigarette packs labelled "COUPON" have ever been found.

So, I referred to this sub-set as the "Quintuplicate" challenge. As it presents an alternative "type" set to T206 collectors.

Since then, I have acquired the COUPON card of the blue Chase.







Thanks....any help finding a DRUM of this Chase is greatly appreciated.


T-Rex TED

[RCMcKenzie]

Here are the two Myers' cards from T213-1

t213-1myers054.jpgt213-1myersb055.jpg

Sorry, no dupes of these, but I believe I have an extra T213-1 Thomas in poor condition. (still need.. Greminger, Hart-Montgomery, Hickman, LaPorte, Rhoades).

Ted, on the Coupon packs... Do you believe the pack with the Indian head on the front did not contain type 1 Coupon cards? I don't know much about packs, but have seen that pack shown as one that may have contained them.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, on the Coupon packs... Do you believe the pack with the Indian head on the front did not contain type 1 Coupon cards? I don't know much about packs, but have seen that pack shown as one that may have contained them.

I have seen a 500-cigarette carton labelled "COUPON". I have never seen a standard 10-cigarette pack labelled "COUPON".

I would say that the pack you are alluding to may have contained T213-2 or T213-3 cards.


Best regards,

TED Z

[RCMcKenzie]

Ted,

Good luck on the Chase blue background run. That's a great run even without the drum. Also, Art M.'s runs are amazing. It would be quite a challenge to find all 5 for a run.

Here is the pack I was referring to...

www.baseballandtobacco.com/t213.htm