So, what is the norm now?

[Snapolit1]

Collectors expose high priced card in auction that has been apparently been trimmed. Evidence put forward.

What do we expect an ethical AH should properly do?

A. Leave card up, let bidders consider the disclosure of new information as they see fit

B. Leave card up, but modify description going forward with evidence of alteration and allow bidders to retract bids if they desire

C. Pull card

D. Pull card and inform consignor that he is banned from consigning to future auctions

This seems to be coming up again and again. As a hobby, where do we stand? Or is their another obvious option I am missing. I don't think this a simple question.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Collectors expose high priced card in auction that has been apparently been trimmed. Evidence put forward.

What do we expect an ethical AH should properly do?

A. Leave card up, let bidders consider the disclosure of new information as they see fit

B. Leave card up, but modify description going forward with evidence of alteration and allow bidders to retract bids if they desire

C. Pull card

D. Pull card and inform consignor that he is banned from consigning to future auctions

This seems to be coming up again and again. As a hobby, where do we stand? Or is their another obvious option I am missing. I don't think this a simple question.

B at the very least

[Johnny630]

C

[x2drich2000]

I think B or C are appropriate, but I would say it also depends on discussions with the consignor. With new information, the consignor may not want to go though with the sale as that could result in them suffering a loss. Instead they may want to pursue something with the TPG. Conversely, the consignor may still want to go through with the auction and then the AH must disclose the evidence of the alteration. Not disclosing the alteration is completely wrong and banning the consignor just doesn't make sense cause they could have bought the card in good faith based on the TPG grade and have nothing to do with creating the alteration.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Just returning the cards to the consignor to be resold a different way as unaltered doesn't cut it.

John, while I like this idea in theory, I can't see any AH opening themselves up to potential liability by doing so. The AH is not the owner of the card so if they aren't returning it in the same condition they received it, I could see someone making an argument that the AH damaged (lowered the value) of the card by removing it out of the TPG case without the owners permission.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

John, while I like this idea in theory, I can't see any AH opening themselves up to potential liability by doing so. The AH is not the owner of the card so if they aren't returning it in the same condition they received it, I could see someone making an argument that the AH damaged (lowered the value) of the card by removing it out of the TPG case without the owners permission.

The fact that the card is altered is what brings down the "value", not the slab with the fake number attached. Just continuing to play HOT POTATO with this crap is even more ridiculous.

[Johnny630]

It seems like if people think they can make money off said card it doesn’t matter either way altered or not.

Nothing has changed one bit over the years.....it’s always up to the person buying or biding...What I’ve observed over the years is that Nobody else can be held responsible or accountable other then yourself....

[swarmee]

Take cards out of circulation by forcing them back to the third party grading service that failed to identify the trimming. If their consignor was the submitter, the card just gets cracked out. If the consignor bought it without knowing it was trimmed, cash in on the grade guarantee. If there is no guarantee, owner gets the card back raw with documentation of the alterations.

Just returning the cards to the consignor to be resold a different way as unaltered doesn't cut it.

[slightlyrounded]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Take cards out of circulation by forcing them back to the third party grading service that failed to identify the trimming. If their consignor was the submitter, the card just gets cracked out. If the consignor bought it without knowing it was trimmed, cash in on the grade guarantee. If there is no guarantee, owner gets the card back raw with documentation of the alterations.

Just returning the cards to the consignor to be resold a different way as unaltered doesn't cut it.

No auction house would do this. Doubt this would be legal in any way unless specifically provisioned for in the AH submission process, and even then....

Better would be return to consignor with a letter of explanation that also goes to the grader.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Collectors expose high priced card in auction that has been apparently been trimmed. Evidence put forward.

What do we expect an ethical AH should properly do?

A. Leave card up, let bidders consider the disclosure of new information as they see fit

B. Leave card up, but modify description going forward with evidence of alteration and allow bidders to retract bids if they desire

C. Pull card

D. Pull card and inform consignor that he is banned from consigning to future auctions

This seems to be coming up again and again. As a hobby, where do we stand? Or is their another obvious option I am missing. I don't think this a simple question.

I'm a little out of the loop, I'm assuming this is happening in a current auction?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I am a "C" though, to date I have pulled cards like the ones described before the auction started, I know I have pulled a lot occasionally after an auction started, but I don't think it's been any of the graded trimmed or graded reprint variety. I have a graded T205 Bresnahan Mouth Closed and a graded T206 Joss Portrait that I didn't allow into the current auction. This was an estate situation so banning the consignor wouldn't make much sense, but if I had a consignor who was sending me bad cards consistently I certainly wouldn't tolerate it for very long.

[Fred]

I'd go with B. Unless there is indisputable evidence, I'm not sure D is a good alternative.

What happens if the AH knowingly accepted consignments like this and turned a blind eye to the practice? Is there a new selection (E) for something like that?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Seven

I'm a little out of the loop, I'm assuming this is happening in a current auction?

Probably these ones:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425669

[pgconboy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Probably these ones:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425669

Awesome graphic put together there.

I wish there was a digital screen that graders could drop a card on during the process and the exact measurements of the card are then written on the label as part of the grade. Then any person would see this Ruth is short X millimeters and even if it gets a grade the buyer can beware.