New Grading Company - CSG

[Leon]

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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[maniac_73]

If you are endorsing them Leon and putting those cards on the line that is Huge. Will be interesting to see this play out and I hope they are successful!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

If you are endorsing them Leon and putting those cards on the line that is Huge. Will be interesting to see this play out and I hope they are successful!

Eventually I hope to have my whole collection in their holders. I am tired of seeing known mistakes (especially strip cards) be incorrectly labeled on purpose.

These are such stupid flips they make me angry every time I look at them. For the record, Ray Charles could see these aren't hand cut. NO W575s that aren't trimmed are hand cut.

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by Leon

These are such stupid flips they make me angry every time I look at them. For the record, Ray Charles could see these aren't hand cut. NO W575s that aren't trimmed are hand cut.

Why not just remove the cards from the holders?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Why not just remove the cards from the holders?

Exactly. No 3rd Party validation is needed. Unless you plan to sell them (still not needed, but for the Sheeple)

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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So Leon...will you be paying for this service? Or will it be on the house?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

So Leon...will you be paying for this service? Or will it be on the house?

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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Condescending? certainly wasn't intended to be? As the owner of one of the most prolific prewar sites on the WWW it certainly would benefit a new company to have an endorsement from you? Why not throw you a bone? This may be considered a very smart business move on their part?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Condescending? certainly wasn't intended to be? As the owner of one of the most prolific prewar sites on the WWW it certainly would benefit a new company to have an endorsement from you? Why not throw you a bone? This may be considered a very smart business move on their part?

My apology if my response was too harsh. But yes, I guess it would be good PR for them......I am not 100% my whole collection (kind of small collection but still...) will be crossed as of yet, but I will definitely submit the group of 20 erroneously labeled cards (some shown) as long as their fee and wait times are in line... AND the new company will have to grade them correctly or I won't do it, why would I?

[jchcollins]

So what will set the new company apart - more accuracy in authentication? Better turn times? Can reliably tell the difference between 70/30 centering and 90/10 centering?

Not to be skeptical but just legit curious as to what a new player with scale will do to fix some of the TPG ills we've long complained about on sites like these. Holders that do not allow cards to slosh around inside?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

So what will set the new company apart - more accuracy in authentication? Better turn times? Can reliably tell the difference between 70/30 centering and 90/10 centering?

Not to be skeptical but just legit curious as to what a new player with scale will do to fix some of the TPG ills we've long complained about on sites like these. Holders that do not allow cards to slosh around inside?

Hi John

I think all of these things will be addressed and more. I don't know any specifics whatsoever except for a new hire of theirs. I am sure we will see more in the near future. They are a smart and well funded company. They have a great name in the hobbies they are currently in and I expect the same in ours.

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[YankeeHotelFoxtrot]

Have any coupon code for membership, Leon?

I am thinking of joining at the 149 level and see there is a coupon code line. Wondering if you have any>

Originally Posted by Leon

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by Leon

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

I am confident they are fine.

And for everyone posting in this thread, remember the rule at the top of every page please, concerning names. thanks

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[HRBAKER]

You mean you wouldn't want to know if you had altered cards in numbered holders?

[maniac_73]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

[Leon]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

Thanks, I am ok but nowhere near the best graders. Not in the same ballpark.
I know a little about a lot of type cards .

**And to answer a few other questions.

I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure.

I have no intention of going to work there. They seem like a good company from what I read.

And yes, I always want to know if my cards are altered.

Was that all?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks, I am ok but nowhere near the best graders. Not in the same ballpark.
I know a little about a lot of type cards .

**And to answer a few other questions.

I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure.

I have no intention of going to work there. They seem like a good company from what I read.

And yes, I always want to know if my cards are altered.

Was that all?

I assumed you would. My question was directed @ those who offered caution, it infers they would not.

Jeff

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

I like Leon but this made me laugh out loud.

[jchcollins]

I actually like the flip design, but the pics of the slabs I have seen do not appear to have recessed corners. Assume this is something that will be corrected before go-live?

[sportscardpete]

There is a massive moat built by the current TPG, whether we like to admit that or not. It will take a lot of patience for a new entrant to work. Hopefully they have the pockets to build the business.

[UKCardGuy]

Good news. As CSG have offices in London, I'm hoping that they'll offer grading locally.

The hassle with shipping to the US and worrying about customs charges is too much for overseas collectors.

[t_vguy]

Being on a budget I am naturally curious about the cost. I imagine you probably can't give details on that.

I prefer the look of SGC slabs due to the blackout and how it makes cards looks (color theory is a beautiful thing after all!) I really feel there should be a lot more good grading companies though and considering the wait times we've seen especially with PSA, it certainly warrants it now more than ever since the hobby is growing at such a fast rate. I'll be honest, their labels bother me but if they're accurate and at a price point which competes with SGC (I can dream they'd be lower) I'm all about it!

Thank you for sharing your experience.
---John

[Lorewalker]

Isn't the parent co, CCG, the folks who owned or ran SGC at one point? Could have sworn their scale logo was associated with SGC's site and holders. If so then this one could be promising. Keeping my fingers crossed for a solid grading staff.

[Rich Klein]

BTW -- the hire Leon and myself referred to during this thread is now official. From Sports Collectors Daily Today Notes:

"Andy Broome, the senior vintage card grader at Beckett since 2004, has left for a similar role at Certified Sports Guaranty, which has been adding staff in recent months in preparation for its upcoming launch."

Regards
Rich

[jburl]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

BTW -- the hire Leon and myself referred to during this thread is now official. From Sports Collectors Daily Today Notes:



"Andy Broome, the senior vintage card grader at Beckett since 2004, has left for a similar role at Certified Sports Guaranty, which has been adding staff in recent months in preparation for its upcoming launch."



Regards

Rich

Good news, for sure.

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[Jcosta19]

I only see standard sized cards pictured on their website.
Does anyone know if the same size holder is used for t206 and similar sized cards or if they have multiple sizes?

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[rjackson44]

Im going to give them a try love this

[Jcosta19]

I wish they graded oversized cards..
I had 4 cards I've been holding off on submitting due to wait times but 2 are t201 and a 36 goudey premium

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[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by Jcosta19

I wish they graded oversized cards..
I had 4 cards I've been holding off on submitting due to wait times but 2 are t201 and a 36 goudey premium

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I'd say that is something they'll need to address quickly if they want to compete in the vintage arena. So many tallboy slabs in my, and many others collections. Postcards, Exhibits, T201, T202, T3, Goudey Premiums, R312, R315 etc.... countless pre war issues are "oversized" by todays standards. There weren't any standard sizes back then. Can't ignore and not slab a very large percentage of pre war card issues and expect to be relevant with those collectors. I understand they're new to the game and very well may be working on multiple bigger sized holders right now? We shall see. I'm not rendering any judgements and hope they do well and hope the extra competition can up all companies standards.

[chadeast]

I am totally ready for a new grading company, but... I must agree that looks do matter, and the label is just way too busy for my tastes. Imagine a faded Old Judge in that holder. The label would dominate it. IMO, it seems designed for modern flashy cards.

If they had a more simplified 'single grade' option with a label maybe 30% shorter in height, I'd start using them to slab my cards tomorrow. I do really like their legible font (take note, SGC). My hope is that, as a new company, they might be able to offer something like that in the future. They can call them 'vintage' or 'classic' holders.

[Gorditadogg]

I think the subgrades are very helpful. You can't put every card up on this site so that swarmee can tell you what's wrong with it.

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[Usc1]

Anyone get their cards back yet from csg? Im on the fence at the moment. I need a bunch of raw cards graded.


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[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Usc1

Anyone get their cards back yet from csg? Im on the fence at the moment. I need a bunch of raw cards graded.


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Same here... seriously thinking of giving them a try, but am still awaiting a reply from them on the slabs/flips for Tobacco and Caramel cards.

[bnorth]

Looks to already be a CSG grading company.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Topps-...YAAOSw8b1gIzN7

[Exhibitman]

My 1st order logged in 2/25. Standard 5 weeks, we'll see.

[forceplay sport]

I emailed CSG about smaller cards and here is the response:

Hello Andy,

For smaller cards we create a custom clear insert to hold the card safely in place.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you and have a wonderful day,

Justin Hudlow

Customer Service

Certified Collectibles Group

p. 800-642-2646 | f. 941-360-2553
jhudlow@NGCcoin.com