Josh Gibson

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I personally have a hard time getting excited about a card produced a couple years after his death, but the money being thrown around for this card is unreal. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57993&item=5164264153&rd=1 While I guess if you want a Gibson card this may be your only opportunity, it just seems like an awful lot of money for the flimsy card that it is. Also, Josh Gibson Jr. was playing in the negro leagues in 1950, although his career was short due to injury, is this card really of Josh Gibson Sr., or could it be his son? I would like to hear from some of the Cuban experts here on this issue.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Andy Baran

The image on the card is most definitely Josh Gibson Sr. It is taken from a photo of Josh Gibson Sr. from several years earlier in Puerto Rico. The card was issued several years after his death, and we will probably never know exactly why he was included in the set. He was an icon in Puerto Rico. The seller is telling the truth about the number of known copies.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

very old.

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Posted By: Mark

if he doesn't use BIN on this one. Hal, just have the servants look for change in the sofa cushions in the East Wing. But seriously Hal, you need this way more than the Ruffing.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Josh sr died in 1947 of a brain tumor or stroke depending on what source you believe,some mention both.

Heres a photo of his son who really doesnt resemble him much as far as build

http://www.nlbpa.com/gibson__josh_jr.html

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Don't listen Hal. You NEED the Ruffing!

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I never said I doubted any of the info in the description. It is right on, as Andy has stated as to the number of copies, etc. However, I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibilities that the card was meant to be a card of Josh Jr. as he WAS playing at that time, and that may have been the only photo they had to go with. Much like the suspicion in the OJ set about the "Daly, Cleveland" having been intended to represent Hugh "One Arm" Daly, but actually picturing Tom Daly (from Chicago). Also, that picture of Josh Jr. is from when he is like 14 years old, strange that he didn't have the build of a 35 year man at that age.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

That picture of Josh Jr might not be from his playing days but considering his career was over right before he turned 20 then unless he did steroids he wasnt much bigger a couple years later.He also doesnt have the frame of his father,and you cant build without a frame


besides the fact the Josh Gibson picture on the card is a known photo......chances are its probably Sr and was meant to be him.I dont see why they wouldnt have labeled the card with Jr on it since he was always known as Josh Jr,if it were really meant to be him

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Apologies to John and everyone--Gibson died Jan 20, '47, as John said, of a stroke or a brain tumor or complications of one leading to the other...

In a quick google search, I found two GORGEOUS photos of Gibson (far nicer than the one on the card), and I'd settle so fast for an original one of those...I really don't find photos inferior to cards, especislly when they're SUPERIOR to cards. In both photos, one comonly colorized, and one commonly shown in black and white, he's squatting and looking up at the photograspher--great face!--in the b and w one, he's in full catcher's gear; in the other (better known), he's in an ordinary baseball uniform.

I'd take one of those photos over the card in a heartbeat.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

No thanks.

Gibson was great...

but a card produced AFTER he died and while his son was playing is too "off" for me.

You guys buy it.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

So who bought it??

Am I the only one who doesn't consider this a "real" card... even if it IS of the father and not his son??

Is this any more valuable than other "cards" that were printed after someone's retirement and death, like the 1950 Callahans of the 1960 Fleers?

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Posted By: Julie

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Julie: Check the link in this thread... where it says the auction ended because the card is no longer available.

Somebody out there bought this $50 "tribute" card.

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Posted By: PASJD

I am convinced by the above that the card is Josh Gibson not his son, and it seems to me that if it is his ONLY card, is as scarce as it seems, and is generally accepted by most people as a real not tribute card, then one must go with the hobby's verdict. The fact that some cards are post-career (33G Lajoie, Sport King Cobb, Leaf Ruth, 40PB Jackson) doesn't seem to matter in most people's eyes, and even if one makes a distinction I think in the special case of Gibson who obviously didn't play in the major leagues and had no mainstream cards, you have to make an exception for this singular gem.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Peter:

Is that why you have so many cards on Ebay right now...

to pay for the Gibson card you bought?

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Posted By: PASJD

I think if you add them all up I might be able to buy a small time-sharing interest in one, at best. My observations are purely objective.

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Posted By: PASJD

This Gibson card is more within my budget.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5174332702&fromMakeTrack=true