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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Here's a new one......a 150/350 series Red Chance portrait card with a Piedmont 460 back ? ? |
#2
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Ted - I don't think this is rebacked - just a straight out reprint. |
#3
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Posted By: peter ullman
that's an interesting re-print as the only sure give away...to me...is the type font and color. the rest looks pretty darn good!!! |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
Another dead giveaway is the bottom of the back of the card. It doesn't have a factory designation and the area where "reprint" originally appeared has been erased. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
oops, double message |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
Ted...good call! |
#7
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Posted By: fkw
Nothing on that card is old, front or back. It is all modern and basically a doctored reprint card. Like others have said, front caption is all wrong, and back "reprint" has been scuffed off. |
#8
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Hey guys.....My screen doesn't show a blue lettering caption (maybe I need a new screen) |
#9
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Posted By: MVSNYC
this card has so many problems, at first glance i know it's funny just by the huge borders, way too big...blue type face, no factory designation...not even close. |
#10
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
If you look at the top right side of the back where a fleck of paper is missing, you can also see the paper stock doesn't look right. Also, that erase mark is right where "reprint" is printed. |
#11
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The two factors that lead me to think this is a Re-Back are...... |
#12
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Posted By: T206Collector
...a card like this isn't worth posting about. |
#13
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"I have to personally disagree with both Ted and Kevin - I still feel the back is just as fake as the front. Maybe I'm wrong but I do not think this is a reback as I said above." |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Kevin - that helps - I see what you're saying now. Ted - the seller says the card feels "heavy", not "thick". That being said, I trust your opinion on T206 (hence why i email you questions!). I still thought the back, whether or not re-backed, is a fake too and those erase marks just look like so many other attempts to conceal that reprint lettering. |
#15
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
T206Collector |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
"This one is fake from the color and font of the name, the borders on the card, the lack of a frame and color and width of a frame around the image itself, the lack of a factory designation and a scar where the word reprint probably was. Etc. Etc. |
#17
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
MIKE S |
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Posted By: T206Collector
Don't get me wrong. Very useful for confirming the authenticity of a card that appears to the trained eye to be real. Just not necessary with an obvious fake, which this one here is. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
ted- we're talking apples and oranges here...your missing the point. |
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Posted By: Rob
"but in this case, it is such an obvious fake...not even really worth a discussion" |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
".....we're talking apples and oranges here...your missing the point." |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
ted, we usually see eye to eye on most issues. i hear what you're saying regarding the cobb, that is scary, yes, i agree, and your F/B theories will certainly help in many cases, especially like that one... |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Ted,you need to take suggestions betters,i was going to say criticism but by the way they worded this,you cant even call it criticizing. I could tell by the small picture at the top of the ebay page the card was a fake,it didnt look right from the start,I actually thought at first you had the wrong link up thats how bad the card looked. Thats all they are pointing out. If you had to prioritize finding problems with a t206,the front back combo wouldnt be the first problem with this card for someone new. The fact the card is a reprint to begin with is the biggest problem here.They could put any back they want on this card with the way the front of it looks,its not going to pass the inspection of someone who knows t206s. They are basically saying the back of the card shouldnt even come into play with this card due to the front. I hope you dont take my response wrong either,im just giving you another opinion on this and hoping you see what theyre saying. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
thanks John...you worded it more elequantly than i did. |
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Posted By: PC
If you only looked at the front, you know it's fake. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Kevin -- it looks like the card is rebacked, but could the edges appear that way because someone sanded them (roughed them up) on a angle? Hard to see why someone would have rebacked a fake front with a fake back." |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
I guess it could be that this card may have originally had a red Piedmotn back or something similar to that. Someone thend ecided to at least put the correct color of back on the card. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Borders are too thick and font isn't close, blatant reprint. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
All you guys are....MISSING MY MAJOR POINT....that is that this is a RE-BACKED T206 card (albeit, |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"If "busting my chops" on this thread makes your day....fine, that doesn't bother with me. I'm guilty |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: scott brockelman
If you did then you will see this is not even a real T206 back. There is no factory number. There is a place lower where reprint has been removed, but this would be too low for the factory number which you would not want to remove anyway. Bottom line, it's not rebacked with a real T206 back. |
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Posted By: PC
Kevein -- maybe it's semantics, but rebacking implies that the original back was removed and replaced. Isn't it more likely that the front and backs of these cards were produced separately, and then not sized properly, or were glued together poorly? |
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Posted By: Scott Levy
Ted Z... |
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Posted By: leon
Oh you are so correct. I wanted to do the BIN on that card on ebay but the then President of Beckett said, in essence, he wouldn't stand behind the card in their holder. He told me that if they put it in a holder then it was good...period...And of course he was wrong. There is a thread on this board about what I went through with him... regards |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Here's the link to your post in the prior Thread on re-backed T206's regarding the Cobb/Drum card..... |
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I had already posted that Red Cobb fake 5 days ago without too much interest on this board. |
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Posted By: Steve
Ted your points were not in vain, I'm sure many that have read this thread do not have the knowledge that many here that have replied do. For those that lurk and try to gain knowledge your points are well taken and I would assume appreciated. |
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Posted By: howard
The little I know about pre-war cards I have learned from this board. I know I still have a lot to learn so I appreciate all the posts about counterfeit cards. When such a card is outed I eagerly read the comments as to why they are fake (thanks to you all I can tell myself sometimes) and have come to expect that ALL of the signs that a card is fake will be pointed out. Therefore I believe that just because the front of a card is obviously fake there is still good reason to point out flaws with the back. Thanks, |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Just so you know Ted I wasnt busting your chops and apparently no one else was but this thread proves once again that you have no patience when anyone else questions you,and in this case its supposedly questioning you because no one is. You may provide an abundant amount of information but you really dont know how to handle conversing with people online.You keep telling everyone else they miss the point when no one is missing the point except you. No one here is missing the point,you saw a card that was rebacked and pointed it out. Other people saw a blatant reprint on front with no factory number on the back and pointed that out. Thats not questioning you or missing the point. You get so defensive when people question something you say that you arent even realizing no one is questioning you,rather theyre expanding on what you wrote |
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It's very interesting that you bring up your point......"For those that lurk and try to gain knowledge...." |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Ted, |
#43
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Posted By: scott brockelman
Ted are you saying you have seen real T206's with no factory #? While I have not seen as many as you, I have examined a few thousand and have NEVER seen an authentic T206 without a factory #. Do you have one to show? |
#44
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Are you alluding to the various colored wrong backs such as this Lundgren reprint I show here....... |
#45
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Posted By: Steve
This card may have very well been an obvious fake to many of you guys here, but I can assure you that it is not to many that are not in the 'in crowd' here. If anything it was these collectors that Ted was helping. Maybe inadvertantly but helping them nontheless. |
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: john/z28jd
Steve if youre new and looking at t206 cards the first thing you should know is what youre looking at and to do that you have to know what the cards look like. This card has a reprinted front so even if it had a real back on it,the card is a reprint. When taking into consideration whether a t206 card is real or not most people who collect them can look at this card and see the front is fake and that comes from experience with them and usuaully years of looking at them. |
#47
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Look, you and I and your Dad have had some great conversations in the past about BB cards and Antique cars at the Philly Show at |
#48
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Its possible we could show up for the sunday show. From my house at the shore its too long of a ride but if im out at his house its a little over an hour and a half. I might have to ask the saturday people if there's any old judges out there to make the trip really worth it |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
After I set-up on Friday, I check-out every booth at the Philly Show, so if you want, I can tell you by |
#50
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Re-Backed T206 Chance......
Posted By: MVSNYC
i'll probably make the trip to Reading this time, as well...we'll all have a big group hug... |
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